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Any one have some first hand knowlege or opinions on Amels? Looking for something safe and confortable for liveaboard and cruising the east coast and the Carribean. At this point comfort and safety are higher on the list than speed.
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Sailmc,

Fellow named Eric, who goes by Kimberlt or something close to that on here, owns an Amel. I know he has posted about his boat before. Maybe check the archives for either the boat name or his name on here.
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Hi,
i own an Amel Super Maramu.
what would you like to know?
fair winds,
eric
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you can also e-mail me at Kimberlite@optonline.net
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I hope you don''t mind joining this thread. Some time ago I stepped on board of an Amel Super Maramu (on a boat show in Germany). Although I had a very short glance I got impressed by what I saw. I will need to have a more thorough look and have been invited by the yard to come and visit. I am curious about some aspects now, like:
- how do you like the bowthruster, is it a problem that it raises in the forecabin?
- to me the head seems rather small. Is it workable in port and at sea. No problem with the curtain? Can you keep the rest of the head dry when you take a shower?
- Does the aft bed work in port. Is it easy to get in?
- Did you consider to have an electric cooker installed, so you can get rid of butane/propane altogether.
- I don''t see any dorades. Is the ventilation sufficient, even in wetter climates?
- did you install any other gear, than the standard inventory?

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Kimberlite, I recall your posts from quite a while back. I have several questions. I should preface this by saying I have not seen one in the flesh yet. The first question is performance oriented. Does the boat go to weather well enough to get you off a lee shore safely? I have no experience with ketches although I understand the rational on a short handed cruising boat of this size. Are the berths comfortable enough for long term liveaboard. They look good for sea berths. Is there adequet ventilation? It appears that there are no hatches in the aft cabin which I presume is the master. The constrution details that I have read indicate this is a very stiff solid boat. Is this in fact true? Are the systems all as easy to maintain as the literature says? Meaning is everything eaisly accessable? It seems that Amel uses quite a few propritary parts. Has this been a problem for you? Is there some support for these problems? Has storage space been adequate for your
purposes? Does the boat have any bad habits? What don''t you like?
My intended use for the boat is long term cruising of the East coast, Florida, Bahamas and the entire Carribean chain. Then probably liveaboard in Florida. I don''t anticipate any ocean crossings as my wife has no intention of doing that but that doesn''t rule out her meeting the boat on the other side. I.E. No circumnavigation in the plans. I''ve done my share of racing and performance cruising and now I''m looking for comfort, livability and safety for the long haul.
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Hi,

I have owned my Amel for almost 3 years now and have accumulated about 20,000 blue water miles on her.
To date I have no complaints or problems with the boat.

The shrouds are fastened to the sides of the boat so the Genoa angle can not be brought in to point very high, But 30-35 degrees is a max. You also have a hundred horsepower engine and enough fuel to motor from New York to Bermuda. Getting off a lee shore is not a problem.
It does however make a very strong water proof boat. The boat can be lifted by the chainplates. And the hull to deck joint is laminated this coupled with the deck stepped masts makes for a bilge so dry that we always keep paper towels and such in the bilge.

The ketch rig is an advantage as there is a lot of sail up but without the hernia of handling very large sails. Having electric furling on main and genoa allows me to sail this boat solo.

The berths are low and come with removable Lee boards. We have sailed this boat in 25 + foot seas with a comfortable and safe ride. Our first passage was from LaRochelle to Guernsey England where we beat up the English Channel in very rough seas for 2 days.
No squeaks, no rattles, and nothing came loose and no drawers or cabinets opened.
This was a first for me as any boat I have been on in the past had everything on board flying around after a few days of abuse at sea.

The aft cabin has a port in the head and an after hatch. You can also order 2 additional ports in the aft cabin if you wish. We have an optional fresh air system where outside air is drawn in and blown through a vent system throughout the boat.

I am a big guy and never have had a problem getting to any of the mechanical equipment as it is all laid out in an orderly and easy to get to fashion all in the stand up engine room.

The Amel factory has the finest customer support in the industry starting from the one week class for all new owners, to a dedicated person to handle any warrantee problems, to a whole department to handle any issues and spares for out of warrantee.
ALL spares are in stock and it usually takes 3-4 days to get spares in the U.S.A. and Caribbean. They ship worldwide. The boat also comes with 5 large loose-leaf books of operating instructions and manuals.

When we crossed the Atlantic we had a crew of 5. Everyone had their own cabinet storage, and their own bunk. We had enough storage for all the gear, spares and food (2 freezers) For 25 days, with enough spare room for food for 50 days. We didnít even come close to filling up all the storage. We also made enough water (40 gallons an hour) for hot showers every day.

My friend rounded Cape Horn 4 days ago with only his wife on board in a factory stock Amel with stock sails.

If you want the finest ocean cruising boat ever built {quote from sail magazine)
The Amel is your boat.

Are you looking at a new Amel or used boat? When do you plan on making a decision?
Where do you live? If you live near New York you can come up here to see Kimberlite when I get back from the Caribbean the end of April.
Fair winds,
Eric
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Eddy,

It is important to remember that Amel has delivered more 50 foot ocean cruising boats than any other builder in the world. They are 100% employee owned and the employees are always refining the boat. They know a lot more about offshore boat building than almost anyone. Their boats are all CE rated ďAĒ the highest rating for a sailboat in Europe.

There is an agent for Amel in Ft Lauderdale his name is Joel Potter.
I have no problem with the bow thruster or itís location in the forecabin. It is essential when docking in most of the world as you usually go stern to the quay in most places except in the U.S.A. I love backing up the boat 100, 200, 300 feet as straight as an arrow.
Why do you ask about the bow thruster?

The head is small, as the philosophy of Amel is to maximize the space in the boat.
Lets face it how much time do you spend in the head. I am a big guy and find the head quite serviceable. The head remains dry when showering as the curtain wraps around you and is held to the bulkheads by Velcro. It can be quite comfortably used at sea. The curtain is made out of some amazing stuff as it has never developed a spot of mold.

I do not understand your question about the aft cabin berth- please expand on this

I canít see running the genset to fry an egg. Propane/butane is much more efficient. Better kitchens have gas and not electric stoves. Why are you considering an electric cooker?

The ventilation is very sufficient. I think dorades are much overrated Ėwhen offshore prudent sailors close and remove the dorades and it gets nasty below. The Amel is engineered to be comfortable below without dorades.

The stock Amel is ready to circumnavigate as delivered. I wanted to install a bunch of things when I ordered Kimberlite. Amel talked me out of them. They were right and they saved many tens of thousands of euros buy doing this.

I did install some optional equipment, mostly electronic, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Where do you live/sail?

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Eric Freedman
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Eric,
Thank you very much for your excelent review. You have answered all my questions. I think we will pursue this further. As to your questions I live in Wisconsin which is why we don''t have a good oportunity to see and Amel in the flesh. I will probably be looking for a new boat when the time comes to "slip the warps" and take off in a couple of years. I understand the wait for a new boat can be up to a year. Was this your experience? Hopefully the Euro will have calmed down by then. Thank you for your invitation to see your boat. When the time comes I might be able get to New York. Will you be stopping in the keys on your way back? I will be there the beginning of April. Could you explain in a bit more detail how your fresh air ventilation works. This is a new one to me.
Enjoy the rest of your Cruise and thanks again for your reply.
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Eric,
thank you for your information. I live in the Netherlands and sail in and around it. Currently I own an Island Packet 380 and I think it is one of the better boats. I amlooking at a larger boat, like an IP485 or an Amel.
I spoke to someone about the Amel and he was not impressed about the way the bow thruster is positioned in the boat, hence my question.
Glad to hear about the head and about the quality of the shower curtain. I always hate these when the are drawn to the body, during a shower.
The question about the aft berth came up, since beds in the latest Island Packets are placed diagonally, giving access from two sides. The berth in the Amel can only be ''entered'' from one side. I was just curious how this works out in this particular situation.
I have been thinking about an electric cooker because of safety reasons. I am still a little bit afraid of those heavy gasses, which can enter the bilge and wait there for a spark to happen. I thought you could probably run an electric stove from an inverter hooked up to your batteries, so that you do not need to start the genset everytime you want to make some tea.
I understand that you are quite satisfied with the construction and safety measures of the butane installation. ( Being Dutch, I am still struggling with ''gas'', to drive a car and ''gas'', to cook with)
Just being curious: what kind of boat did you have before the Super Maramu?

Thanks again,
Eddy May
Windfall, IP380
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