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Hi Jeff

I am really apreciate your wisdom and help with all the boat design questions, and your huge knowledge and willingnees to spend hours typing stuff to clear up a lot of missconceptions on this board ....

Now I think that Sailnet is on its way out. And eventually this server will be down and not working...

WHERE do you want to go .. I need to know as I will bookmark that site and frequent it often ...

One idea is to go over to SA Sailing ANarchy .. a real weird place at times and more for racing and sport boats stuff ... But I think if you would be there the sometimes strange ED will make a cruising forum ...

Sail Jazz is fine but needs more content and an bulletin board ....

Thanks Thorsten
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JEFF ... urgent roll call

I am hoping that this will stay up but if not I have been visiting two forums lately:

Cruisers Forum
http://www.cruisersforum.com/

Cruising World- General
http://phpbb.worldpub.net/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=38dfdd732249eb56c9053e44d02b ca02

I used to spend time on Sailing Anarchy but I was uncomfortable with the sheer volumn of posting that takes place, the ad-hominum attacks, and non-sequitor replies over there.

I suppose that I should reevaluate Sailing Anarchy again since I haven''t been there for a while. Certainly feel free to email and let me know where folks ends up.

Iam still not completely clear why people think that Sailnet is about to disappear (and for that matter I am not clear why the owners of Sailnet have not replied on this thread). In any event Sailnet keeps posting new articles and sending out the usual weekly bulletins so I am really not sure what makes everyone think that Sailnet is at the end of the Trail.

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Jeff
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Jeff, you should email the editor at SA...

This came up in one of the other forums about the long term viability of the Sailjazz model.
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Yes, actually I do. Sailjazz has no visible business model for long term funding, while the SA crowd is bouncing between 80,000 and 100,000 DAILY visitors. Their advertisers are already paying $$ for that reach, so adding this traffic is easy. I KNOW how much it costs for big-time bandwidth, and good intentions will not keep this running.
Paul

On Jul 20, 2005, at 9:27 AM, Walt Leutwyler wrote:

Paul,
*** The good folks at SailJazz, Sam Boyle and Cheryl Boyle, have a Newport list already in place no need to create something new. Do you have some concerns*about SailJazz? In an e-mail to me yesterday Cheryl wrote "I understand folks are concerned if SAILjazz is here for the duration and I am saying yes!"
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Walt_/)
On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Howard wrote:

fyi: Sailnet is about to sink into history...so most of the Beneteau list
subscribers are switching over to sailjazz because the founders ran Sailnet until they were taken over by their investors.
Hopefully Sailjazz will do better than Sailnet... Sam & Cheryl Boyle have
probably learned their "dot com" lessons....
The Sailjazz email forums are identical to Sailnet...really no surprise to
anyone.

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:00:31 -0700, you wrote:

You folks should see this Begin forwarded message:

Subject: World''s largest sailing website WANTS to host our email lists

These guys show up as THE sailing website with the largest volume of traffic. They heard about the good owners lists and message boardshere, and Sailing Anarchy is thinking about offering to host all these lists & message boards (in SEPARATE forums from the wild and wooly racing boards).

I''ve been very impressed over the years with their access at the very top of the sport.... where else do you find Robert Perry talking about his design work and while playing guitar that night at in a bar in China. Many, many posts from the TP52''s, Pyewacket, Sidney-Hobart crews and lots of others.
Paul

From the SA front page
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We have heard from a number of sources that SailNet is or is about to close their doors. We tried to get in touch with them, but got nothing but voice mail hell - in fact the sales voicemail said don''t leave a message - not exactly a ringing endorsement for business. Here is what was sent to us today:

Someone who lives close to Sailnet has posted a series of pictures showing that the Sailnet sign has been taken down, the parking lot is empty, and the building is locked up, with a closed sign in the door. He went once at 9 am, and then when he returned a little later, there was a Mercedes parked near the door, but despite pounding on the door, there was no response. He asked around at a few other buildings nearby, and was told it''s been mostly deserted there.

Ouch. Things don''t sound any better over at their forum (which we have never visited but hear is pretty good). If anybody can verify, please do. Btw, we''d be happy to take over the message boards as a distinct entity here at SA. If anybody knows about them, get in touch with The Ed
7/20/05

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SA Kicks...
From an advertiser: Over 30% of my traffic comes from your site, while your least favorite competitor delivers under 2%. I''ll be back.

No surprise to us - the SA community is an active one that spends money and isn''t afraid to do so with advertisers who support this site. We have become the #1 most visited sailing site because of you eaders who are down with the SA scene. Thanks y''all.
7/7/05
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as I said before SA ( SAilingt Anarchy ) isnt for everybody , The language is ROUGH at times and some "regulars" are idiots. They dont cut it on the race course, so they have to insult people during the week.

HOWEVER there is also a BUNCH of good folks out there, which are eager to help and give good tips.

And I think the Ed would open a cruising board, besides the sportboat . flying tiger board .. etc etc...

Thanks for answering I have the two sites bookmarked

I wish the sailnet folks all the best , but they dont do themselves a favour, NOT answering to the rumors...

Thor
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I don''t want to speculate on the future of Sailnet, but as long as it''s running let''s ride it to it''s conclusion. It''s been a great forum for us and it deserves our support. Hopefully with enough traffic it will have appeal to keep it running. So let''s keep our chatrooms active and keep posting to and checking the message boards.
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For those interested in another polite, informative board apparently well stocked with knowledgeable sailors, try sailboatowners.com.
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In order to harness the talent and energy on this board, I´d like to put in a plug for the following BBs...for the following reasons. And FWIW I don´t think one size fits all, so expect all of us will be doing some selective choosing:

cruisersforum.com - overall structure of the BB (lots of breadth but organized, tho´ it would benefit by more contributions in some areas), good participation from folks like Jeff and Gordo, and some nice personalization features

http://ssca.org/sscabb/index.php? - is SSCA´s Discussion Board and draws on some very experienced cruising sailors; to the extent this would meet your needs, I think it excels...but don´t confuse the generic term ´cruising´ with a 2 week vacation

sailboatowners.com - I agree with Don that there is a lot of knowledgte here, and certainly a lot of participation. However, I find it most useful to those with fairly routine queries related to the most commonly purchased boats. E.g. they were a big help to me when making decisions about installing a 12V stereo...but don´t expect much expertise if you want to talk windvanes.

http://www.cruiserlog.com/forums/ - there are a lot of Kiwi, Oz and South African participants on this board and I find some of their contributions to be both interesting and widening my own blinders...however, it´s 4th on this list, intentionally.

I pasted a "first hand Sailnet observation" from a usenet in the Gear section; IMO this server´s days (hours?) could be numbered...

Jack Tyler
WHOOSH, currently lying Ria de Arousa, Galacia, NW Spain and thankfully finding internet access in the marina office for free!
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This has been, and may continue to be, a unique and wonderful forum to share information, and debate boat-related issues.
Unfortunately like all commercial enterprises, the Sailnet forum exists at the mercy of the marketplace, and may just suddenly disappear.
If the rumors of Sailnet’s imminent or extant demise are true, we can expect the forum to simply disappear without warning - perhaps at month-end (billing period).

I don’t expect that the CruisersForum will necessarily fill the needs of this membership, nor replace the Sailnet board, but it may provide a meeting place to stay in touch with developments - and to “tag up” with each other. I will endeavour to maintain a clearing-house of information at http://cruisersforu.com
Specifically at the thread: http://cruisersforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2059
Titled: ”SAILNET Message Board”
Under the “Blue Water Cruising” divider, at the heading “Books, References, Links & Website’ Announcements”

Here’s hoping the rumors are false, and the Sailnet Message Boards remain up & active.
If not, check in at the CruisersForum

Best regards,
Gord May
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I have baught a Pinnacle 29,and I was wondering if anyone else hade one.I think there were between 7 and 12 bult,but I am not even shure about that.

Thanks Dean
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