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BTW, what is a "tender" boat?
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My wife had the same problem but it was taken care of so keep trying. Wish I could join though.
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BTW, what is a "tender" boat?
Tippy, or more technically, easily heeled. The opposite of "stiff".

Not what you want in a boat to learn on...
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BTW, what is a "tender" boat?
A precise naval architectural definition of 'tender' would be 'a boat lacking in initial stability', but as colloquially, at least as used in the States, a boat that heels easily. It's the opposite of 'stiff'.

I assume that the quoted price of $7,500 for a J-22 is an asking price. You should be able to knock as much as a third off that price in this market. I don't know whether that will get the J-22 into your price range or not. Remember that an asking price is not the same as a sales price. In any specific case, and (spoiler: negotiating language hint) especially in the case of an older race boat without an active class, which has been on the market a while, in a remote region for sailing, there can often be big differences between the two.

In finding the right negotiating language you somewhat need to know the specific class. So for example, on the east coast, J-22's have plummeted in price then leveled out in the past year or so in part because the J-70 class has so grown exponentially, and in part due to the demographics of the J-22 class, older sailors on their way to aging out of racing, and younger sailors of child-rearing age whose kids are now at the "extracurricular activity/ no time for sailing" age.

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Nancy, another common boat in your size range, price range, and region is the famous Shark 24. It's a quirky little boat, likes a blow, might need some light air help. But hey -- learning how to make a heavy boat go in not much wind is a valuable skill! I bet a 135% nylon masthead genoa would transform that boat, and those are easy to launch, handle, and douse in sudden wind storms.

Build quality and condition vary a lot; helpful to have an experienced person along to assess a prospective. But $4000 will get you on the water in a design almost as popular as the Ensign but with livelier sailing qualities. Still not as quick as J/22 mind you. But possibly cheaper to start with, and the fun/$ ratio is very good.
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Hi,
We went to look at an O'Day 22 foot boat today. Asking price is $1200, has a trailer and all sails. Big jib is in great shape, main sail has a few 6 and 3 inch tears along the outer seam. Boat needs a good cleaning, and I think the hull needs to be scraped/sanded (?) and painted cause there is paint peeling off of it. He's had it 4 years, bought or from Cape Cod. It has sat for the past 2 years. It's a 1971 or 1973, he cant remember. No outboard engine, but we have a long shank one at home.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55754859@N04/14190710030/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55754859@N04/14354183416/

I have a big sewing machine cause I make quilts, I'm thinking maybe I can sew the rips on the sails just for this year? I have thread that's like fishing line - if we buy it, would regular thread work, or would I need thread like that?

Then on the way home, we stopped and looked at this Ensign Pearson. No price, the guy can't find the title. He didnt get it. Is tracking down a boat title hard to do? Is it necessary to register a boat in NY? The boat may be very cheap (read:free) but has no trailer either. It has sails.
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Any advice/thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Both boats are pictured. Thank you!
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We have a Catalina 22 and have sailed it quite a bit on Lake George. We have even taken it camping at LG and its an ideal boat for that. The pop top makes the little cabin seem pretty usable. The swing keel is necessary for easy launching and to pull up when you pull into a shallow campsite dock but is swings down 5' for stability. Ours is a blast to sail.

I got a solid one with good sails on a trailer with no motor - for a song. Less that the Oday you are looking at.
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Thank you for letting me know. The Catalina we looked at - we decided that was more than we wanted to spend on that particular boat, when there are much less expensive ones out there. I appreciate your recommendation because we probably will "graduate" to Lake George next year!
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The O'Day without a motor isn't going to sell quick, so you may be able to knock a nice chunk off the asking price. If the boat's dry, the trailer's bearings/tires are good, and the tears in the main are not terrible, offer $800.
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The O'Day might be a fine choice, but budget in at least a new (or good/used) mainsail for it. The number of tears & their location (leech) indicate badly damaged fabric. Probably a combination of age, UV, and flogging. The worry is, even if you repair the rips, one good T-storm could shred the mainsail to ribbons. That's not a fun place to be. Also, the boat will handle much better & stay controllable with sails that aren't bagged out & untrimmable. The ones you describe may well be original to the boat, from the early 1970s. It tends to be an afterthought, but sail condition should be a strong factor in your buying decision and in any price offer you make. A cosmetically tired boat with crisp sails is enjoyable now.

We sailed our SJ21 the first year with an old mainsail (new jib) and found it willful (to the point of dangerous) in inland lake conditions. A flat new main with one deep reef transformed its heavy air performance.
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