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An Unusual Rig

I've been doing a lot of research on an obscure make of boat, because I might buy one of them. Along the way, I found these photos of a sistership from 1980 with all the original gear and rigging. They made these one at a time and by hand; and to customer specs, aside from the hull. For what it's worth, the one I'm looking at is vastly different.

Anyway, I've never seen a rig anything like this and I though some of you would appreciate these photos as much as I do:





The top sail appears to load the mizzen to the point where an aft bobstay is required ... would it even be called a bobstay if it was aft?



And finally, these appear to be original, 1980 self-tailing winches. I don't know what else they would be, at least:

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The rig is a version of an Alden Jib Top Schooner:



The winches are not self tailing. They are bottom action single speed winches with "Top Cleats" to get the fairest lead off the top of the barrel. Note, too, the length of the winch handles! (As a young'n I work a boat like this and it was a SERIOUS workout!)

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I've been doing a lot of research on an obscure make of boat, because I might buy one of them. Along the way, I found these photos of a sistership from 1980 with all the original gear and rigging. They made these one at a time and by hand; and to customer specs, aside from the hull. For what it's worth, the one I'm looking at is vastly different.

Anyway, I've never seen a rig anything like this and I though some of you would appreciate these photos as much as I do:



Not much used (anymore)..

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The top sail appears to load the mizzen to the point where an aft bobstay is required ... would it even be called a bobstay if it was aft?

Boomkin is the aft bowsprit
Gobline is the aft bobstay

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And finally, these appear to be original, 1980 self-tailing winches. I don't know what else they would be, at least:

Not selftailers, integrated cleats
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Hey there Mr. Bum , what is the boat you are after ? Name, N/A, ect ? A Bowsprit ,
and boomkin man I don't know if I could live like that .

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The rig is a version of an Alden Jib Top Schooner:
Actually... no, it isn't. To start with, given that the after-most mast is lower than the forward mast, that makes it a Ketch.. meaning the rig is called a Staysail Ketch and the sail in question a "Fisherman".

Here's a pic of a bigger one:


IIRC the rig was devised before the era of powerful winches and meant that the "main sails" were of a size more easily handled by a small crew.

Whilst the rig is out-dated now, it's not at all uncommon.
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Re: An Unusual Rig

A rig not uncommon on larger sailboats earlier on. Not sure about the winch issue, this kind of sail arrangement does mean more sail higher up, which gives more possibilities.

Sometimes a wishbone boom was used, which then was reflected into the name of the rig. See also


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