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How crazy would I be to...

... purchase a 32foot ocean capable sailboat without working electronics? The panels have been removed, in process of updating.

There was a guy showing one off for an out of state friend, but when I asked if the motor could be started, the guy declined. Despite the owner saying the motor is hand crankable.
What would I need to test the engine? I would think alternator to battery connection and good to go no?

Now I've seen similar boats listed any where for $29k to $69k. Without cosmetics, even on a good day this boat in proper working condition I don't think this one would go for $29k.

Now I understand yanmar 2 cylinders are pretty reliable, but without being able to see and hear the diesel fire up, check the exhaust... would I be crazy to purchase this thing for even half that price?

Same of course goes for the electric system. I mean how far below market value should I make an offer for a boat in this condition.

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Re: How crazy would I be to...

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Re: How crazy would I be to...

Right. I mean I am looking for a comfortable liveaboard and don't mind doing the electric work myself. Not looking to leave for tierra del fuego tomorrow.

In the scheme of things, how bad could it be right?
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Re: How crazy would I be to...

Welcome aboard Eric... question is, are you "ocean capable"? Electronics are obsolete by time you get them on the boat and installed! You don't say where you are looking and if the boat in question can be looked up. It would seem also the owner of the boat doesn't want to sell it, if they are not responding with positive answers
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Re: How crazy would I be to...

What would you be willing to pay for the boat if it had a newish motor and all the electronics, but otherwise in its current condition? Consider that amount and subtract the cost of installing a new engine and the electronics. That's the max I'd pay for the boat because you are buying a bit of gamble and a project.
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Re: How crazy would I be to...

I've done some coastal trips, just outside the SF golden gate in some rough waters on lighter boats. I understand coastal navigation, how to read NOA and how to set up a good crew watch schedule, (need to work up my true life experience sure) and I feel I will be ocean capable (going to Toronto via Panama in a few months as crew = will be first long voyaging). But I also know I would love to have the auto pilot there to lend a hand.

The boat is local. The owner is not.

I guess my thing is, I'm capable of and want to learn any and all systems. In fact I like the idea knowing where every wire is. But at the moment looking at an engine without it being able to start, I wouldn't know how to tell you if it's seized beyond all recognition.

If someone could tell me, oh yeah you need a ten guage wire, hook it up on the alternator output to a battery, then hand crank it. (Obviously I'd make sure the raw water open, theres oil in it, belts are tight. I know where the kill lever is...) What else am I missing here? Its a Yanmar 2 cylinder.

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Re: How crazy would I be to...

Since you don't sound very experienced, find the best surveyor you can or your chances of getting burned are quite high. A fair market value is included in the survey report.
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What would you be willing to pay for the boat if it had a newish motor and all the electronics, but otherwise in its current condition? Consider that amount and subtract the cost of installing a new engine and the electronics. That's the max I'd pay for the boat because you are buying a bit of gamble and a project.
wow that does sound painfully logical there.
hmmm sometimes I need an outsider to bring it home like that.

Lets see, if I ballpark perkins diesel install at $7k, $5k for electrics would those numbers sound about right to the sailnet community?
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A fair market value is included in the survey report.
See now that I did not know. Thanks BP

For those playing along at home.. costs on surveys will be about $600.
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Re: How crazy would I be to...

Welcome Eric;
a few ?? jump to my mind.

A(NY) yanmar deuce capable of handling a 32foot ocean cruiser?? What? -10-12hp?
A Perkins marine diesel, installed for a mere 7k? Lots a sailors would like to know THAT!guy
5K electronics for a start; then add that again for new electric.

Going by what they are asking; it might be worth a survey; but given the "no start". deal;I'd pass..
Now, if it's some really famous, hh-end, world class cruiser that's just been neglected and ya can pick it up for?cheep?
Mebbe? IF it has provinance that it was owned by a historically famous figure??

The average, run-of-the-mill, ocean "capable" 32'cruiser (of indeterminate age/condition!); with no known working motor, no electric/onics at all and who knows from the rigging!?
Uhhhhh?
There's a ton of real deals out for half tthe$$ you're considering
Might be worth 3k as scrap..WITH a billofsale/.clear title . Perhaps with a ttad more info better judgement could be made to assist you??

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