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Old 07-29-2006
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info needed on a Formosa 41 and a reliance 44 please

Hi everyone,
I'm hoping that someone can give me some info on an early 70's formosa 41 pilothouse. I would like to sail the oceans of the world with myself and two others and am not sure of the pros and cons of this boat. I know that they need new electrics and decks apparently. I'm wondering about their durability and their sailability. I'm basically buying the boat sight unseen for about 15 grand. The engine is apparently good, and the hull has been fixed.
I also looked at a Reliance 44, a balsa cored hull boat built in Montreal, Canada. I really like this boat's roominess, however it is balsa core, and I'm not a fan of it. Does anyone have any thoughts on this boat?
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A friend of mine is restoring a 51' Formosa Pilot House ketch. The boat is very roomy, sturdy, and sea kindly, but it is very slow. All of the bulkheads, decking, cabin sole, stringers, etc, seem to be over-sized and rigid; but this makes the boat overall extremely heavy. It's full of beautiful Asian carvings and joinery work. When he finishes the job, this will be one heck of a boat for long-term cruising. Not so good for day sailing.
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thanks johnr. the more info i get the better. i'm probably going to buy this boat sight unseen. I will get a survey done as well.
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Run!!!

All you will be doing is working on your Formosa 41. I've never owned one, but know lots of guys that do. Most are tired, run down, and are rotten. They look pretty salty, but the only salt you will see is the kind on your table if you buy one!





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Hi everyone,
I'm hoping that someone can give me some info on an early 70's formosa 41 pilothouse. I would like to sail the oceans of the world with myself and two others and am not sure of the pros and cons of this boat. I know that they need new electrics and decks apparently. I'm wondering about their durability and their sailability. I'm basically buying the boat sight unseen for about 15 grand. The engine is apparently good, and the hull has been fixed.
I also looked at a Reliance 44, a balsa cored hull boat built in Montreal, Canada. I really like this boat's roominess, however it is balsa core, and I'm not a fan of it. Does anyone have any thoughts on this boat?
I sincerely appreciate any and all comments, well, cept those that make fun of my hair.
Where's JeffH superinfoman ? Your thoughts are most valued by all I've noticed. I hope you have time to dispense a few nuggets of wisdom.
Hope y'all are well
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I must admit, my friend with the 51' Formosa discovered a lot of rot and termites in the deck. He bought the boat for $100K and has put $75K into her. The mechanical, electrical, and rigging were all sub-par too. However, he knew what he was getting into and bought the boat as a good "foundation" upon which to build. When he's finished (which he nearly is), the boat will be better than new, and I doubt he will be having to work on it much... at least not any more than any other boat owner has to work on their boat.
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It's a shame Jeff hasn't replied to this But I think he would say don't buy it.They are heavy ,poorly made,poor sailing,and besides that they tend to leak like a seive,I have seen boats that glassed over the problems,but the decks leak anyway. Good luck.
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I am circumnavigating on a Reliance 44. I don't like the balsa core either, but I wouldn't let that stop me from buying a well-found boat. My bigger complaint is the extreme overhangs - They have no place on a cruising boat. I removed the mizzen & installed a hardtop that we love. All-in-all, it's a good, strong boat.

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Unless someone else has already completely re-done the boat...I would avoid the Formosa. They are beautiful, seaworthy (but slow and heavy) passagemakers capable of going anywhere....BUT...they have a terrible reputation with decks, leaks and rot.
Don't know anything about the Reliance. Is it just above the waterline that it is cored or the whole hull. If whole hull, I would avoid it...but above the waterline is OK.
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I always find it interesting that people who have never owned a Formosa are willing to pass along their advise based on “what they’ve heard”. I own a 1978 Formosa 41 Yankee Clipper and couldn’t be happier. Just as with cars, computers, televisions, what ever, there are some lemons in the barrel. But that doesn’t mean they are all bad.

Knight Hawk has beautiful teak decks over fiberglass. I’ve had several people tell me to strip it all off, fill in the screw holes and refinish the deck with non skid. Teak decks are non skid and beautiful to boot. Yes, they are a bit more work when it comes to maintenance but I wouldn’t trade them in for a glass deck ever. I had several planks that were coming loose so I had them replaced. The deck below is solid and has no rot at all. In fact I have no leaks in the decking anywhere.

The wiring is in as good a shape as any can be for being nearly 30 years old in a marine environment. Many older boats need a bit of rewiring at that age. There are some changes I will make along the way but none that present an immediate issue. On item is the original distribution panel. I’m not happy with it because it doesn’t allow for expansion, so it will be replaced.

The hulls on these boats are stout and strong. Most areas below the water line are an inch or more in thickness. The full keel is molded into the boat so there are no keel bolts to worry about. The rudder and propeller are well protected and unless you back into a bar you won’t hurt anything if you run aground. The full keel also makes it track like a freight train. The down side is that it has a wider turning radius and also backs like a freight train. Steering in reverse is nearly non existent.

Yes they are a bit heavy and therefore a bit slower in the lighter winds. Unlike the high aspect ratio rigs, the Formosa’s have shorter, raked masts with longer booms. In light air they are somewhat inefficient, but then they were designed for the trades. When the wind picks up and others start to feel overpowered the Formosa comes to life. 5.8 to 6.2 knots is where my boat seems to settle in. The ride is smooth and comfortable.

IMHO they are great cruising boats and shouldn’t be overlooked. Of course it depends on what you are looking for. If you are in a hurry to get where you’re going, this isn’t the boat to buy. But if you are looking for a comfortable, affordable cruiser then don’t scratch it off your list.

As for the Reliance I can’t speak on it because I’ve never owned one. I’ll leave it to someone who has experience with that make.

Best of luck in your search and smooth sailing.
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Sailguy...it ain't what I've heard...it is what current Formosa owners say on several different bulletin boards. A simple google will confirm that even the happy owners contend with lots of leaks. The multi year re-fit and discovery of all the rot on BobBitchin's Formosa "Lost Soul" in Latt & Atts magazine didn't do much for the reputation either. The "rumours" ae true. Furthermore...of the 12 Formosa 41's currently on sale at yacht world, the prevailing price is 50-60K with ONE being offered at $30K on an "as is...where is" basis. What does that tell you about the REAL condition of one being offered at $15K.
I maintain my opinion that this is no boat to mess around with and pls. note that was not a blanket condemnation of Formosa 41's...only the one's where someone else has not repaired the problems which by now are evident on any which have not been in a ziplock bag for the last 30 years. It is THIS particular boat I am condemning. "The engine is "apprently good" anf the hull "has been fixed...doesn't exactly give one a warm and fuzzy feeling. Wanna bet on the survey results??
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