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Should you expect to haul out a boat that is in the water when shopping?

This is a given right? Anybody that has a boat tied at a pier that is selling should expect that the boat gets hauled before purchasing?

What tips would you give to have a mechanic diagnose a non working diesel inboard? Would a surveyor take care of that as part of inspection? Would the mechanic need to boat hauled out to assess the repairs or would they be able to do it with the boat in the water?

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Re: Should you expect to haul out a boat that is in the water when shopping?

Generally a haulout is part of the pre-purchase survey routine.

Surveyors will rarely asses an engine beyond physical appearance. Engine repairs should be 'do-able' while in the water, as would an assessment or estimate. Some sail drive scenarios may require hauling for some of the work. Dripless seals can be problematic if the engine is removed 'in the water'.

Diesels are pretty simple..

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Re: Should you expect to haul out a boat that is in the water when shopping?

what size boat? what price range? inboard, so 28' and up? non running engine so older boat?
the way it works is you agree on a price and make a deposit, then you have the option to haul the boat and have a survey. if you still want and it is safe to operate then you can sea trial. all at the buyers expense. This can vary on less expensive boats. non running engine to most people would be a sign to run away but if you know engines you could get a good deal. I would subtract at least 5k for non running depending on the engine model and make new one start at 15k installed

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Re: Should you expect to haul out a boat that is in the water when shopping?

You don't have any "rights" to the boat until an offer to purchase is made with sufficient provisions for inspection and other provisos. Whether the engine is included in the survey will depend on the qualifications of the surveyor. Generally the engine is included in a separate survey conducted by a specifically qualified surveyor.
I would treat a "non-working diesel" as no engine at all and discount its replacement cost in the offering price.
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Re: Should you expect to haul out a boat that is in the water when shopping?

Yup, you need a specialized diesel inspection. Even then, they don't typically provide much certainty. There is no way one could offer a fixed survey price to tell you what is wrong with a inop motor. They may figure it out in a few minutes or take an entire weekend of disassembly.

Very strange scenario that a boat is being offered with an inop inboard. First thing I ask myself is "what else wasn't properly maintained, even though it might be working at the moment" Always look for her story.

You will certainly haul the boat out of the water for survey inspection, at your expense, after you have an accepted offer on a boat. It's healthy to expect to pay for at least one you reject before finding the right boat. Hopefully not.


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This is a given right? Anybody that has a boat tied at a pier that is selling should expect that the boat gets hauled before purchasing?
No, nothing is "a given," everything is negotiable. A common condition of any offer is that the boat will be hauled and surveyed (or launched and surveyed) at the buyer's expense.

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What tips would you give to have a mechanic diagnose a non working diesel inboard? Would a surveyor take care of that as part of inspection? Would the mechanic need to boat hauled out to assess the repairs or would they be able to do it with the boat in the water?
I would have the surveyor verify the make and model engine. I would then verify whether or not the engine will turn over. If it won't turn over, then you may have use for it as a mooring.

Then you should preform a compression test on all cylinders.


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Re: Should you expect to haul out a boat that is in the water when shopping?

For me, A sea trial on a breezy day is a requirement. Does it leak with the rail under? How does she steer and tack? The motion? How the does the sail handling gear work under load? Are the sails blown out?

There are too many boats out there for me to take the risk. Of course, the owner or broker could sail it out.

Pretty dumb way to sell a boat. Expect other problems.

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Re: Should you expect to haul out a boat that is in the water when shopping?

Thanks for the helpful replies.

I'm learning so this is only good practice at this point.

I'm reading through the Boat Inspection Trip Tips as a guide, are there other good recent posts to check out?

* The engine won't turn over. It could be a replacement situation for whoever buys it (if not me).

* This one is a 1980 Pearson 30', ~$6K, I haven't done enough research to tell if this has been discounted or not for the engine.

* $15K for a replacement engine? I didn't think it would be that much, I guess the rule to go buy is to triple the equipment cost? I guess that is a rule of thumb for pretty much all work, it just seems like a lot of labor for an install/retrofit to me, but I'm clueless

* How do you tell if the sails are blown out (newb question).

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Re: Should you expect to haul out a boat that is in the water when shopping?

I don't know the yards in your area directly, I can tell you that nearby in RI and MA you'd be paying $90 something/hour for labor. Let's round up to $100 to make the math easy. Let's say 2 person weeks effort to re-power. Why so much, take the old engine out, probably throw out the wiring, probably move the engine mounts which are rotted so you'll get new ones and need to glass them in to fit the new power plant, you'll want new wet muffler (the old ones rotted) and exhaust. You'll want a new control panel. While you're messing around you'll find the thru hull for the engine intake needs to be replaced, you're there anyway so, and some bulkhead will be in the way, and you'll notice that the fuel tank is full of crud so you'll want to replace it, the water separator filter is old, replace that too, might as well replace the fuel line, how old are the batteries......

You get the idea. 80 hours, at 100/hr = 8K. Another 7K worth of parts, you're easily at 15K (not sure what an engine this size costs, but you'll need a surprising amount of other stuff too).

Unless you love it, and it's perfect in every other way, find one with an engine that works and a higher ask. Particularly for new buyers, recommend you find a boat that's regularly used by a meticulous owner, you'll pay more up front but you'll save in the end. The only people who beat this equation are skilled and persistent do it yourselfers. I'm sure one or more of them will chime in after reading this.
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