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palmerjv 08-12-2001 01:17 PM

Frers F&C 44
I am trying to find more informatin on the Frers & Cybils 44. These were made in Argintina around 1980. I would appreciate any information or feedback.
Regards, James

Holthoefer 02-15-2009 08:34 AM

F&c 44
Hallo James,
if I am correct, your question about F&C 44 is very old and still without answer. I joint the sailnet community yesterday and found your post.
If your still interested in Information concerning this wonderfull boat,
please send me a new post. I am owner of Hull-Nr. K-16 since 1990.
Regards, K. Holthoefer

YECAD 04-30-2009 05:10 PM

Hello K. Holthoefer
I am always interested in meeting another F&C 44 owner. My boat "ARIA II" is Hull K-21. She is in Halifax Nova Scotia, Canada.

Please tell me about your boat K-16. Thanks.


Ken Dacey

Holthoefer 05-04-2009 05:01 PM

F&c 44
Hallo Ken Dacey,

nice to hear from you. Internet information about our rare boats is hardly
to find. I was always interested to find other owners to chare the
experience in refit effort.
My boat "Marlin" was build in 1979/80 an shipped on deck to England.
I bought the boat in 1990 at the "Costa del Sol" of Spain and brought it
to the Baltic Sea . As usual the hard sun and very salty water of the
mediterranean sea caused a poor condition.
Over the years I changed nearly everything including teak-decks and
engine ( I changed even the position from owners cabin to main companionway). Today the boat looks fine, like about 5 years old.
Hoping that you will tell me about "Aria" as well.
Best regards
Klaus Holthoefer

YECAD 05-10-2009 06:14 PM

Klaus: send me an e-mail & I can send you pictures & information on ARIA II.


Ken Dacey

Leee 07-07-2009 11:35 PM

Hi Klaus and Ken,
I am looking at a 1982 Frers 44 F.and C. built ketch at the moment and would like to know as much about them as possible. Longevity (assuming decent care), sailing abilities, etc. Email is renovate it 85 @ hot mail . com ( Just eliminate all the spaces shown here.)
Regards, Lee

Holthoefer 07-08-2009 03:02 PM

F&c 44
Hallo Lee,
as I am owner of a 1980 build example since nearly 20 years, there is some
experience to share. I will not be able to tell you all about my time with this beauty in this Mail.
Like every loving owner I will go into raptures bout her sailing abilities in rough see. On the other hand she is not a racer and not as quick as modern
"cruiser racers". Best is the range between 40 and 150° apparent wind direction. The hull is very strong and yet I did not hear about osmosis problems. On the other hand a nearly 30 years old boat needs for shure
a lot of refit work. On such a beautifull classic you might have the chance to get some of the money back in the end but I would never count on it.
Best is to send me a list of concrete questions.
I look forward to hear from you

regards Klaus

Leee 07-14-2009 07:06 PM

Hi Klaus,
I've replied to your email today and hope to hear back soon.

ONYX44 12-30-2009 10:27 AM

F&c 44
Hello All,

I'll second the opinions off Klaus and Ken, the F&C 44 is a beautiful boat and gets admiring comments everywhere she goes. I have owned ONYX, hull #23 since 2007 and have found the maintenance issues no worse and perhaps less than any other 30 year old boat, due in large part to the excellent maintenance from the PO. The biggest project so far was rewiring the shore power and replacing the DC panel with modern circuit breakers, not unusual in a boat of this age. The teak decks and varnished woodwork do take time to maintain but the results are worth it.
Klaus, I would like to hear from you on what was involved in moving the engine from the owners cabin to under the main companionway. I know later F&C 44's were built that way but it must be a tight fit.

Steve H

Holthoefer 12-30-2009 12:37 PM

F&c 44
Hallo Steve,

first of all nice to hear from you and your positive experience.
Moving the engine was necessary to get rid of the nasty hydraulic
power connection to the prop. The pressure tube broke three times
during the first 12 years of my ownership and always in difficult situations.
When the connection breaks there is all of a sudden no stearing control.
That happened two times in the Northern to Baltic sea canal with a lot
of big ship traffic. Moreover you will find some liters of oil in the bilge too.
I bought a new Perkins Sabre 65 which fit perfectly underneath the companionway. Space is quite narrow around, but the modern engines are fortunately smaller. The new position is better for weight balance. More important is the much more direct power after switching the gear. It makes turning in small harbours much easier.

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