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Old survey to new surveyor?

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So I placed an offer on a Flicka 20 pending survey. There is an available survey from 2013 that the PO had done. Would you guys or would you not, give this survey to the new surveyor that I have hired?

I'm not sure...on the one side, what if he uses the old survey as a template and misses possibly new problems (like being blinded by the old survey), on the other hand, it could open his eyes to potential problems. Or what if he knows the previous surveyor, etc...

Am a big fan of providing all valid info so think I should give it to him but wanted some opinions as this is my first boat!

BTW: I'm super excited and super scared simultaneously about buying this boat since it's my first one and a big commitment so any encouraging words would be great because I'm sort of doing this alone without having a support system for helping and such...
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Re: Old survey to new surveyor?

Yea, I'd give it to him. If he's a good surveyor he'll take pride in finding something the other guy missed. And unless you give him a digital, editable, copy, he'll likely be started from his own boilerplate. Most important is that you've checked this guy out, and he's got a good reputation.

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Re: Old survey to new surveyor?

My first thought was, no. Let him do his work.

Then, I decided that if he's a good surveyor, as capecodda said, he may try to surpass the old survey.

And, if he's a bad surveyor, you're screwed whether you give it to him or not.

So, give it to him.

By the way, was the previous survey done by a good surveyor? 2013 wasn't that long ago.
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Re: Old survey to new surveyor?

I respectfully disagree with the previous poster, and with your instinct.
What is the benefit to giving the current surveyor the past survey?
If you give it to him, and he finds all the same things, but nothing new, will you second-guess the result?

If you let him go in blind, and he comes up with some new stuff, some stuff that is on the old survey, and misses some stuff that was listed on the old survey, you can feel confident about the new stuff, the same stuff, and you can always review with him afterward the stuff that you think he might have missed.

Let the man (or woman) do his (her) job with no outside influences, and then use the differences to start a conversation (NOT an argument) about whether or not you should be concerned about anything in the old survey that isn't in the new.

On the encouragement side, I only know the Flicka by reputation, but I can't imagine a boat of that quality being a poor first choice. I went through 3 boats in my first 5 years, as I learned from level 0, and each one was exactly what I needed at that time. You are already miles ahead of hundreds of other 'planners', because you're buying a boat and 'doing it'. You, sir, are a sailor.

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Re: Old survey to new surveyor?

Or hold it back and see what he comes up with that is different. So much of the survey is recording inane data that has very little to do do with seaworthiness. That's a good boat you've got there. What were the items of interest on the last survey? Were they corrected?
Do you know the "known" trouble spots on this boat? Things you noticed on your pre purchase survey that caught your attention and want to have a better "look see" at?
I don't think I'd want to prejudice a survey by old information either. Your paying for a "Today's Condition" survey. Having one surveyor out do another? Nope may make one just a bit lazier...


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Re: Old survey to new surveyor?

Reminds me of a visit in my youth to one of our friends favorite fortune tellers. She said, don't tell her anything, she's amazing. To this day, I accuse her of giving the soothsayer a pile of our personal data before we went in

Maybe your right, have the new guy go in blind


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on a 20 ft boat? http://www.flicka20.com/default.aspx
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Re: Old survey to new surveyor?

So, if you "hold it back", do you show him what he missed when he's done. And what will that accomplish?

It all comes down to whether he's a GOOD surveyor.

There's nothing you can do to make a bad surveyor a good surveyor.
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So, if you "hold it back", do you show him what he missed when he's done. And what will that accomplish?

It all comes down to whether he's a GOOD surveyor.

There's nothing you can do to make a bad surveyor a good surveyor.
Actually, seriously, I agree with this. Soothsayers aside.

And as far as it only being 20 feet Denise, it's a Flicka....it's 20 feet that offshore ready if it's sound. I'd definitely survey it, particularly if I intended to take it offshore. Sorry, but I really like these boats, with the OP luck with it.
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Re: Old survey to new surveyor?

I think that comparing old with new survey is a powerful tool, to Your advantage. Don't worry about hurting a PAID professional's advice. Remember your the customer and paying your hard earned dosh to get "professional" advice. If he misses something that was on the "old" survey then maybe it brings to mind other items he may have over looked. Still buyer beware....out here.


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