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post #11 of 17 Old 08-07-2006
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I have five slips at my house just north of the Severn in Annapolis. Those rates are what I charge for the smaller slips at my house. I set that rate after talking to quite a few of my neighbors and the small marina next door. The marina is a little but more than the private docks, but not all that much. As recently as a year ago, I rented a 50 foot transient slip for my 38 footer at a marina on the Potomac for $160. per month. I can't speak for New England but on the Chesapeake there are a lot of ways to rent slips inexpensively.

If he is only buying a hulk, he would be way better off buying a powerboat without an engine because they have a lot more room than a sailboat, and often include more shore power operated conveniences.

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Wow! We're paying $6K/yr, PLUS liveaboard fees, in Back Creek. Financially, it would obviously pay to look around, but where we are is a great location and we like the community. Ya gets what ya pays for, I guess.

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Mill Creek is 35 minutes by water and 10 minutes by car from Back Creek. The 5K difference will certainly buy you all of the commuting that you would ever want to do. The marinas on Mill Creek aren't as plush but they certainly are better protected than Back Creek. The only shortcoming is that it is hard to get into Mill Creek in the low tides of winter with a draft over 7 feet. Then again you don't have to deal with all of the yahoos coming and going into Back Creek.

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Awww, but half the fun of Back Creek is watching the "parade of fools" from our cockpit on a Sunday afternoon (we have an outside slip). We skated on Isabel, we were far enough up BC to have very little fetch, and a rise of land protected us from the worst winds.

OTOH, Whitehall Bay is one of our favorite quick easy places to go if we just want to spend a weekend on the hook. Would you mind passing on the name of your small marina just in case they raise our slip fees (again!) when our lease comes up in November? We're shoal draft so that wont be an issue. Thanx!
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I'd rather do that by a personal message, Thanks

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The sailing K-9's hit it

As SailingDog mentioned, cold is a very important factor for liveaboards. Without much insulation, most boats will condense a lot of moisture in very cold conditions. The winters on the Chesapeake often are rather cold. The typical cabin top has very little insulation with large sections of fiberglass covered plywood in some sections and maybe a small amount of foam under the headliner. Windows are single glazed. Things like this will precipitate like crazy when you heat the interior and just sit around breathing out moisture. Without serious remedial measures, mildew forms and that's not a pretty situation. For the winter the deck needs to be cocooned with at least a well fitting set of customized tarps. A serious dehumidifier will be needed inside.

He may be on to something with the double enders, as they tend to be blue water boats with more insulation even in the topsides (hull above the waterline).

I think your son needs to seek out people who have wintered on a sailboat around here and learn from their experience on how to cope when we have a really nasty winter. I suppose there are some vessels which are much better insulated but I believe you will find that they are quite pricey. If he is going to actually live aboard throughout the Chesapeake winters, I think that the strongest determining factor should be the winter suitability of the vessel at tbe expense of other things such as sailing performance and lower cost.

Another thing that happens is that to sail a liveaboard vessel a bunch of things need to be stowed (yeah, that tiltey thing). Then to convert back to the cozy liveboard situation the same items need to be unstowed. I have even heard of liveaboards who end up with two sailboats: one to live on and a smaller one to sail.

For online resources you can use www.yachtworld.com. That accesses a worldwide database with listings from over 15,000 brokerages. It also has a power search mechanism if you know what you are looking for.

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Sheeesh. Slips by the length? Can't help but gloat. Down here, my local marina rents by the width foot. $4/ft, with a 12ft minimum....power and water included. 'Course, there was a 2-year wait before Katrina, and it's a healthy list even now. I'm at #42. Hopefully, when all the broken pilings have been replaced, I'll be in.
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