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I just want to say I dissagree with Jeff H 98%. I own a Starrett & Jenks 45' with a sloop rig and am very impressed with her. To say she is tender and wet is a complete joke and just shows lack of knowledge of this vessel, she has a 48% ballast ratio and over 6' draft. She holds tons of sail area, sails to windward nicely, performs wonderfully in 3' to 5' seas with 20 to 25 knots of wind, cruises smoothly at 5+ knots in 10 knot wind on a reach, 2 to 4 knots of speed in a 5 to 8 knot breeze with her 492sf main and 672 sf drifter. She is the only factory finished S&J 45 I have ever heard of. As far as "being lightly built by the standards of the day" goes, every one knows that boats were generly overbuilt in that era because the lack of knowledge about how strong and durabul (sp) fiberglass was, if anything, I would say her "light" construction was ahead of her time. Charlie Morgan did not design crappy boats and if not for the CCA ruld change, this boat would have been a real race winner. She is a very qualified blue water, world cruiser. Interior config and craftsmanship does tend to vary greatly from very good to very scary. This is one of the most underpriced blue water boats on the used market. If you are looking at one, really scrutinize the interior but know all the S&J 45 owners I have talked to will dissagree with Jeff H. However, there are lemons in every batch so always hire a reputable surveyer.
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While you are entitled to your opinion, I would ask what your credentials are? Jeff_H is a long-time member, moderator and his credentials are fairly well known.
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After reading a bit more of Jeff H's , I have come up with a boat that fits all his criteria as a "good boat" The Gulfstar 36' center cockpit fits his description perfectly. If you ever have the misfortune of sailing one of these in a situation other than a coastal daysail or spending the night at anchor, you will yearn for just about anything else. But according to Jeff H, it has everything a "good boat" should have. If your S&J 45 has so much weather helm that your wife can't take the helm, you should have it hauled to remove all the seaweed and crabtraps that must be attached to one side of the rudder. It does take a certain amount of skill and knowledge to successfully sail any vessel, on the same hand, any boat can be set up wrong and unbalanced. For instance, a powerboat can have ample HP but the wrong size prop and become lethargic and miserable to drive. That does not mean that it is a bad boat, just that it's set up wrong. Good luck with that "Gulfstar 36 cc" Jeff H. I wish you fair winds and following seas because you're going to need them.
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While you are entitled to your opinion, I would ask what your credentials are? Jeff_H is a long-time member, moderator and his credentials are fairly well known.
My credentials are in me owning and sailing my 1976 S&J 45. I am only going off what I have expirenced first hand with my own boat that I usually sail alone. Jeff H contradicts himself several times just to reinforce his badmouthing of a vessel he obviously has no actual expirence with. It's too bad people are willing to believe anything someone says just because they have been "a long time member & moderator". As far as I'm concearned, his "credentials" might as well come directly out of that stack of sailing magazines beside his armchair.
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