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First sailboat, the search continues...

As the title suggests, I'm fairly new to sailing and I'm searching for my first boat. I sailed an enterprise 14' for many years so I do have a small amount of know how and sailing ability. I've looked at about 10 boats so far and they have all been kinda beat up and bordering on being money pits and projects. Those of you that have sailed several boats, please suggest some boats I should focus on...

The type of sailing I'd like to do is performance cruising. I live in Vancouver and I'll likely be in the straight, sunshine coast, San juans, gulf islands....maybe a circumnav of the island next year.

Boat budget 5 grand. Maybe more for the right boat. What I've looked at so far...

Catalina 27: I've looked at 2. Both under 5 but pretty beat. My first impression was that they're sterile and lack the nautical vibe I'm after.

Islander 26: almost 7 grand asking price, from what I've seen, it was worth 3500. (How do you nicely tell a guy nicely his boat kinda sucks for the price!!?) I liked it though, beamy, comfy, I could see myself in one of these.

Chris craft Pawnee: hilarious, like a toy.

San Juan 7.7: beautiful, I should have bought it. I can't believe how clean this boat was. Was priced right and everything was good in the world...I offered the seller 400 less than asking....the guy that looked at it an hour after I did bought it. I cried a small tear.

Hughes 27: looked like a girl with a huge booty. Tumble home design? Not for me. It seemed hulking and sluggish just sitting at the dock, extremely eager seller. I ran away.

In summary, I really liked the lines of the islander and the San Juan. I've heard the rounding up horror stories but figured I could just reduce a bit of sail and be OK.

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San Juan 7.7: beautiful, I should have bought it. I can't believe how clean this boat was. Was priced right and everything was good in the world...I offered the seller 400 less than asking....the guy that looked at it an hour after I did bought it. I cried a small tear.
Live and learn. Next time you see a nice boat you really like, don't let a $400 price difference stand in your way. When the seller is happy, he may even throw in some extra gear, or at least some really good advice worth more than a few hundred bucks.
Looks like you know what you are looking for.

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^ yes... Being cheap, bad.
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At that budget range, anything that has no structural issues, has an engine that runs well, and has decent sails is a bargain. If you find one like that, don't be afraid to pay a fair price for it.
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Re: First sailboat, the search continues...

Too bad you lost out on the San Juan 7.7. How handy are you? How much work are you looking to put into it? You'll get the most bang for your buck by considering boats that are in need of at least some work -- whether done by you or a hired professional. The 'perfect' boat at any budget is going to be very different than a boat for the same money that needs a little love and sweat put into it. Every boat is a project boat, even at 10x your budget. Sounds like you know what you're looking for -- don't be too quick to walk away from what could be a diamond in the rough.

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So, I looked at another boat today. I can't post links yet but the listing on Vancouver BC Craigslist under "Beautiful Ericson Sloop".

This boat is nice, however, it is not a 29' Ericson, its a 1978 25+. Not sure why it's advertised like that but, the condition is decent. But $13,900?? That's about $11,500 USD. I'd say this boat is worth about 5000? 6000 maybe? Also, looking up the mast, it has a serious camber to it, pretty sure the mast on a 25+ is supposed to be straight. There was average tension on the rear stay, nothing to make it bow back like it is. The mast is also painted black. Weird.

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I've looked at about 10 boats so far and they have all been kinda beat up and bordering on being money pits and projects. Those of you that have sailed several boats, please suggest some boats I should focus on... The type of sailing I'd like to do is performance cruising. I live in Vancouver and I'll likely be in the straight, sunshine coast, San juans, gulf islands....maybe a circumnav of the island next year. Boat budget 5 grand. Maybe more for the right boat. What I've looked at so far... Catalina 27: I've looked at 2. Both under 5 but pretty beat. My first impression was that they're sterile and lack the nautical vibe I'm after.
Any boat is a money pit and a project. I think that is the very first thing you need to come to terms with. If I was going to spend 5 grand on a boat of that size range I would count on spending at least that much on it the first year.

Secondly, there is a direct correlation b/w how sterile vs nautical a boat's "vibe" and the amount of work it takes to maintain and repair. My boat is very much a plastic bottle. I like it that way because I enjoy using the boat more than I enjoy working on it.

I guess I am just suggesting you try to force yourself to be very, very realistic. I know it is very hard for me.

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This boat is nice, however, it is not a 29' Ericson, its a 1978 25+. Not sure why it's advertised like that but, the condition is decent. But $13,900?? That's about $11,500 USD. I'd say this boat is worth about 5000? 6000 maybe? Also, looking up the mast, it has a serious camber to it, pretty sure the mast on a 25+ is supposed to be straight. There was average tension on the rear stay, nothing to make it bow back like it is. The mast is also painted black. Weird.

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IMO the price will depend on the engine and overall condition. Diesel engine demands a premium. The mast is a head scratcher. I would like it to be very straight when not under load.

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A lucky turn of events has landed me a second opportunity to make an offer on the San Juan. So, I bought it. I've owned it for a week so far and my first impressions are, it's fast, feels solid and will sail almost directly into the wind. It's great! I single handed today in about 10 or 12 knots and it was pretty easy, all lines come into the cockpit and the genoa is on a roller furling. Docking it is sketchy due to multiple expensive boats, a tight slip and weird currents from the ferry dock... but if I can dock it here I can dock it anywhere.
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Thanks for the update. Good luck with her!
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