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"Any input on the how dangerous is it for two people with no experience to take off on a boat?" Perfectly safe--as long as you're not one of them.

You might find the frustration decreased, and fun increased, by taking a "basic sailing" course with an ASA accredited sailing school. Books just don't work for sailing, there's too much visceral feel and hands-on that can't be explained in them. Learning how to do it right--rather than getting it wrong and having to unlearn things--will be worth it.

About the boats: I know Louisiana is different from the rest of the US (literally, because it follows Napoleanic Code) but anything with an engine and/or registration number on it may be TITLED PROPERTY. And that's never just abandoned, even when it is abandoned. That means anything you do to or with it can be theft--unless you legally get the title.

Odds are they were abandoned for one of two reasons: People who left town and never looked back, and people who think the damage will cost more to repair than the boat is worth. On many old boats the engine (even an outboard) can be worth more than the boat. So, you need to find out locally what the law is on titles and boats. The marina can probably apply for a "garage lien" or similar, asking for title to be assigned to them because the monthly fees have not been paid and the owner cannot be found. Then, they can transfer the title to you. But without legal title---if you go to register that boat, you may have a problem. If the owner shows up after you put $3000 into the boat, you can lose it all.

Fixing a sailboat can be more expensive than it looks. If the fiberglass has blisters (underwater), if the structural plywood inside has rotted, if the electrical wiring has rotted, if it needs any rigging or lifeline stanchions...you may be surprised at how fast the surprises can add up.

You might find a bargain--but look into these things (especially title and registration down there) carefully. Sometimes a boat is abandoned simply because it would cost more to dispose of the hull (which is classed as hazmat because of the toxic bottom paint) than to buy a new boat.
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There are boats that don't cost money constantly? ;-)
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Thanks for all the comments, I am really taking them all into thought. I am trying to do a decent amount of research before I make a purchase.

Sailing Classes sound fun and like a good idea, I will look into it, but, do a google search of basepay for an e5 with over three years in. You will see why I am trying to find a decently cheap boat.

I am moving tomorrow, but the next day if the boat is not sold I will head out to the marina with a digital camera and hopefully the owner will give me permission to board it and look around. Again thanks for your help.

This one I am talking about now is not one of the salvage boats, I do appreciate the tips as far as titles and the law is concerned, if I do decide to go that route I will definalty look into that.
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I agree with hellosailor. We took an ASA basic keelboat sailing class two years ago and then promptly bought a Catalina 27. The sailing class was definitely worthwhile. We're still learning, but the class got us sailing comfortably in a hurry.

We love our Catalina 27. She's definitely a great starter boat, IMO. Very easy to sail. The older ones are not very expensive, so I would definitely do some comparison shopping to see what else is out there.

If you are concerned about expenses, you should realize that the purchase price is just the start. Next is insurance and slip fees. Then there is the steady flow of "boat dollars" required to maintain a boat. And, of course, you will soon want to start fixing her up. (Currently on our list: replace the lifelines, add a bimini, roller furling on the jib, etc....) Not saying you shouldn't do it, just make sure you understand the full story.
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I agree with hellosailor. We took an ASA basic keelboat sailing class two years ago and then promptly bought a Catalina 27. The sailing class was definitely worthwhile. We're still learning, but the class got us sailing comfortably in a hurry.

We love our Catalina 27. She's definitely a great starter boat, IMO. Very easy to sail. The older ones are not very expensive, so I would definitely do some comparison shopping to see what else is out there.

If you are concerned about expenses, you should realize that the purchase price is just the start. Next is insurance and slip fees. Then there is the steady flow of "boat dollars" required to maintain a boat. And, of course, you will soon want to start fixing her up. (Currently on our list: replace the lifelines, add a bimini, roller furling on the jib, etc....) Not saying you shouldn't do it, just make sure you understand the full story.

I will look into the class, I know the slip fee is $80 a month or so where it is at now, is this expensive, average, cheap?

I will look into a class, I can see how that would help alot a first, and I could see myself getting frustrated when I am not moving.

The more I look, the more I see these things are like cars, there is so much you can do to them.
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This one I am talking about now is not one of the salvage boats, I do appreciate the tips as far as titles and the law is concerned, if I do decide to go that route I will definalty look into that.
I'd be curious as to how you know this...many of the boats down there were salvaged, sunk or otherwise storm damaged, and not all the sellers are disclosing that fact honestly.
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"do a google search of basepay for an e5 with over three years in."
Ah, ask for a posting to USNA?

Check out the local American Red Cross chapter, sometimes they have sailing classes *very* inexpensively. $150 and less.

The other option is to find out where there is local racing and sailing, and show up before the races, wearing boat shoes and carrying a cold six-pack, and saying "I don't know anything about boats, but I want to crew and learn."
Someone out there will need railmeat, or crew, and they WILL be glad to see you and take you out. Doesn't mean they know how or what to teach, but it is one way to get started for free. Well, for the price of the beer.
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There are boats that don't cost money constantly? ;-)
Yeah, ones that have sunk or you've sold...
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I'd be curious as to how you know this...many of the boats down there were salvaged, sunk or otherwise storm damaged, and not all the sellers are disclosing that fact honestly.

True, I guess it could have been a salvaged boat, if that was the case the current owner already got a title for it. I guess my main point there was it is a 'titled boat'.

I am trying to trust people, but I have seen how money can make people do crazy things.
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Just cause the boat has a title, doesn't mean it wasn't sunk, salvaged and storm damaged. The two are not mutually exclusive...
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