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Labatt, did you buy Pelican. I saw the boat when I stopped by while attending the Annapolis Boat Show. My concerns were teak decks, electrical wiring, iron keel, and black iron fuel tanks. I also need air conditioning where I sail. Out of couriosity can you share the selling price? I currently own a 79 Tartan 37 in pristine condition (new engine, sails, standing rigging, canvas, air conditioner, electronics, etc.), and could not justify the price differential.
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Here is an earlier thread that dealt with iron vs. lead keels. Some people think it's no big deal. Some think it's a dealbreaker.

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/buying...lead-keel.html
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Labatt, did you buy Pelican. I saw the boat when I stopped by while attending the Annapolis Boat Show. My concerns were teak decks, electrical wiring, iron keel, and black iron fuel tanks. I also need air conditioning where I sail. Out of couriosity can you share the selling price? I currently own a 79 Tartan 37 in pristine condition (new engine, sails, standing rigging, canvas, air conditioner, electronics, etc.), and could not justify the price differential.
We are finalizing the sale on Tuesday. There was actually a survey done on the boat prior to us looking at it so I was able to get an idea of any issues at the start of the process - very helpful. I'm not in love with having teak decks, but we only expect to have this boat for 2 years so I'll deal with them. We're going to get them refinished and that will cost us around $5k (yes, I know that's a good deal). Did you see something wrong with the electrical wiring? The only thing they survey made apparent was the lack of GFCI outlets. I'm OK with the iron keel - once again, for the same reason as the teak decks - I'll only have the boat for a couple of years. What's the problem with the black iron fuel tanks? Rust concerns?

I'll share the price once the deal is complete

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We're flying down to Annapolis tomorrow for the sea trial (on Tuesday) of our prospective Passport 40! It should be interesting - they are predicting 25-30kts of wind, gusts to 35kts and seas of 4 feet and there's a small craft advisory. I was hoping for under 10kts as I wanted to see how the boat would do in light air (being so heavy). Instead we'll be tucking in a reef or two. It should be fun though. The current owner is hiring a pro captain instead of coming down himself, and the surveyor and our broker, both highly seasoned sailors, will all be on board. We can't wait!
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Good luck and have fun. I was out for the last sail of the season a few weeks ago during a small craft advisory....and my boat is a small craft...but we had a blast. At one point we had 28 knots of wind with gusts up to 35 or so... and 5-7' seas with the occasional 8-9' thrown in to keep us on our toes.
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How's the P40 search

Labatt......Are you still looking for a P40. I was down in Annapolis last week and looked at Pelican....must be she is still for sale???? I'm looking for the forward berth model with head in the V so Pelican did not quite fit the bill......although she looked like a good boat.
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Encapsulated iron keels are very common on Perry-designed boats, like the GW42 I've owned for 17 years. Never a moment's problem or concern.

If they're done right, there's no reason encapsulated iron ballast keels should present "structural or stability problems".

Just another old wives tale :-)

The Passport 40 is a very fine yacht. You'll love it.

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Labatt, did you buy Pelican. I saw the boat when I stopped by while attending the Annapolis Boat Show. My concerns were teak decks, electrical wiring, iron keel, and black iron fuel tanks.
We did a pseudo sea-trial yesterday. Unfortunately, it was blowing 30 with gusts to 38, the owner wasn't on board, and it didn't appear as if the reefing lines were fully run, so we didn't get to put the sails up We motored about a bit which let us test out a few odds and ends. The paid-for captain had sea trialed this boat once before so he was able to share a lot of information about his experiences. We decided we're going ahead and purchasing the boat.

A couple of points based upon people's comments. One, I found out the fuel tanks are actually fiberglass encased steel, not black iron. Also, the keel, while iron, was designed as an integrated portion of the hull mold (i.e. there are no keel bolts). The iron was sectioned, encapsulated in resin and then placed into the keel cavity. Theoretically speaking, according to our surveyor, there shouldn't be any rust or water issues.

The electrical wiring is in excellent shape and well laid out and marked. Wire gauge is correct for everything we could determine.

It's missing a few odds and ends that we'll be adding - a small propane heater, wind instruments, radar, rudder angle indicator and most importantly - an electric windlass since we will be hauling 250'-300' of chain or rode up when we anchor in Lake Champlain.

Should be fun!
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In an earlier post I mentioned my concerns about the iron keel. It appears that the boat's construction took care of those concerns. The Passport 40 was one of Bob Perry's more sucessful designs that in effect is an updated version of the Valiant 40. Enjoy. How can you miss with Bob Perry.
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We spent some time on a Passport 40 this past summer, and had occasion to troubleshoot some minor electrical issues. I was very impressed with the documentation that came with (and was still on board) this 22 year old boat. All wiring diagrams had complete detail wrt to the terminations, wire colours, gauges, purposes etc. It made the job a lot less of a treasure hunt that it is in most other vessels.
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