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Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

Shnool, about the wing keel - there is a tradeoff in performance with that keel, correct?
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Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

it's not as big as you might expect. But yes, the trade off is it crabs through a tack some.... once you are moving though it straightens out.

But if you are planning on launching and retrieving a lot... the wing is way easier.
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Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

Snhool; Sailing has changed over the past 25 years. When I first started racing there was a fleet of 10-15 J-24's at our interclub racing events ( 6 clubs each takes a tun hosting a regatta during the season HRYRA) . Now the various PHRF fleets are lucky to 5-8 boats. The Pearson Ensign (23') seems to be having a rebirth here. At my club we have about 5-6 which race weekly.

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Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

The J22 has risen in value over the last few years, but that will change, with the introduction of the J70. So I suggest going for more comfort, wing keel, and at half the price.
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Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

Unless your planning on racing, you can find a better value than the J/22. Its a great boat, but you pay a premium because its such a popular one design class.

That said, I think the J/22 days are numbered, and the premium will slowly start decreasing as the J/70, Viper, VX, et al start growing. They guys I know who seriously raced J/22's are already starting to move away.
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Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

I think the average J22 is closely matched in price to a Capri 22. When you start adding new sails, slick underbody treatments, latest greatest race set ups on deck, the price of the J boats goes up. That said, there are plenty of non slick J22s around if racing isn't the primary use of the boat. Then again, if racing isn't the primary objective, the Capri offers a lot of bang for the buck.

As for the new j70 or others to create a weakening demand for the j22, I'm not so sure. In the past 30 or so years that the boat has been around, there have been plenty of new comers. Still, maybe the top end of the sport will gravitate to the newer boats. But not so much at the local club. The beauty of a J22 is it allows top level racing on a beer can budget. You don't need six figure pockets to race a J22 and win.
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Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

The J22 will remain a popular one design class as it is so much cheaper than the J70. The popularity of this class will keep its value up and make it much easier to sell. I would pick the J22 without hesitation.
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Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

J 22s by listing...
J sailboats for sale by owner.

Capri 22s by listing
catalina sailboats for sale by owner.

I am sorry I found tons of Capris under $10k. You would be hard pressed to find a J/22 under 10k(although good friends managed to do it . They really should not be considered in the same breath, it all depends on what you are after. I LOVE the J/22 (great boat).

J/22 = if you want a go fast boat, for One Design racing. It's also a decent beer can racer.

Capri 22 = if you want an inexpensive PHRF/Portsmouth racer

I DO think the J/70 will eventually lower the value/price of the J/22 (it will!)... but the J/22 will continue on, very much like the J/24 continues ON. However, their OD fleet size will slowly wane from attrition.

Different subject... For those of us looking slightly bigger than the 22 foot range... Have you folks looked at the J/88... the New Catalina 275? Interesting times ahead for sure.
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