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George,

I am guessing by your signature you work for Beta marine? What is that product someone mentioned that is a good replacement for A4? And what's that cost?

Also, though I realize this is all subject to specific conditions of the boat, what would be the professional installation cost? If you can't give me the price for whatever reason - just a ballpark number of work-hours would do, I can multiply it by whatever labor rate here happens to be


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If you decide to go with a diesel engine then the choices will be a used engine, rebuilt engine or a new engine. The main reason people re-power is beacuse they have had enough of the problems i.e. lack of reliability.... with the cost of labor being what it is put your $ to the best use and get a new engine. i.e. 00000 hours, no problems, 100% reliable. Regardless, you will be having to deal with installation whether you choose a used/rebuilt or new engine.

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JouvertSpirit... for what is worth, I think you did good by keeping the conventional stuffing box. I believe the dripless seals are a product well engineered but when you loose cooling water to them (which is not supposed to happen ) you might be facing catastrophic consequences.

... been there done that ....!

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Brak, indeed, I am the dealer for BETAMARINE in South Florida.

.... Figure about 5 days work +/-. I will be back in my office tomorrow... you can either call me or I'll send you an e-mail w/information and pricing.

The main reason users recommend BETAMARINE is because their (BETAMARINE'S) niche is repowering as opposed to OEM supply. Also, they are based on KUBOTA diesels which have a top notch reputation...

... gald to help. Thanks.

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Georgellop: I agree on the stuffing box issue, I talked to a lot of mechanics and old-timers and decided to go with the conventional stuffing box with the new packing flax. A side question:
Why is it that BETAMARINE is not chosen as OEM on new sailboats?
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... different business format.

Some manufacturers price the engines at very low prices with the intent of gaining market share; this market share then becomes a captive audience for their parts/spares which are greatly overpriced and coded so as not to make it easy to find aftermarket replacements. Very much like the consumer printer/fax market, they practically give the hardware away but then you must pay for the toner/ink at a very high price/manufacturer margin.

BETAMARINE does not get into price wars to gain acceptance by the builders so you pay more on initial purchase but you can get parts at the local KUBOTA tractor dealer for decent prices (without the "Marine" mark up). We give you the KUBOTA part numbers and you are free to buy where ever you get the best pricing. Of course, we sell all parts and we have to compete with the market at large.

Also, BETAMARINE has chosen the re power niche. And when you order we can match the Atomic 4 engine mount foot print ... for example.

BETAMARINE is an OEM option on some vessels like CaboRico.

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