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Wow! I'm humbled by the replies. Seems I've struck a chord...

Alright so how about this: Forget ocean going for a moment-- A suitable boat for sailing in SF bay (strong wind, good chop, challenging by most standards) No bigger than 30ish feet with providing living (albeit tight) accomodations for two.The simpler the better. budget max 15k.

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Albin Vega are on the list.

Now, how about Cheoy Lee 27' offshore cadet or a frisco flyer. Can be had in my price range-- plentiful on the west coast, modeled off of the folkboat with more headroom, fiberglass with plenty of brightwork to soothe the soul, leagally trailerable (7.5' beam for the cadet and I think the same for the frisco flyer), and and the cadet has 1.5' longer than the folkboat and has 2' on the frisco flyer. Good resale value from what I can tell.

I beg to differ on the claim that an 30', bilge keel 6' cruiser for 15k or less doesn't exist-- the Westerly Centaur is an example of such a boat with plenty of ocean crossings under its belt. Certainly they usually run closer to 20k but as JagsBch points out, there are steals to be had. I believe there are a few on yachtworld currently.
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I think the Albin Vega, which is only 27' or so LOA, is going to be too small for you to liveaboard comfortably. The Cheoy Lee 27' is also going to be far smaller inside than an Alberg 30, and probably more money.

The Golden Hind may be a good solution for a twin keeler, but AFAIK will be out of your budget ballpark.

The Albin Ballad would probably be a better choice than the Vega, but not as seaworthy IMHO.

Other boats that may be good choices: Grampian 30, Bristol 29.9, Irwin 30 Citation, Morgan 30 OutIsland, Pearson 30, and Tartan 30.

My personal recommendation is still the Alberg 30. It is very seaworthy, beautiful design, very active owners assocation, very solidly built.
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Something for you to consider. Living aboard, two adults and one baby (which WILL require baby stuff with many trips unless you stockpile some of it or plan to wash cloth diapers) is going to add weight to whatever you are on. Every boat has a design waterline, and once you add weight, whether it is extra crew or just 'stuff'...the boat submerges more and the performance generally tanks in short order.
I'm not sure where you would find it, but if you can find any design information relating to design payloads and such, that's something to look for. I'd suspect the Morgan OutIslands would be especially suitable for that reason, they were designed to be loaded up, more so than many boats really designed for daysailing and weekending. Probably a heavy-displacement boat will suffer less from carrying extra weight, as compared to a newer lighter boat where your additions are a higher percent of the original displacement.
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Not actually a problem as two couples have discovered. They both liveaboard Alberg 30s with a child. One of their blogs is located here.
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The $15,000 purchase limit you have established may be the most difficult obstacle to overcome in your adventure. I have never personally seen any vessel that would be capable of safely hauling precious cargo offshore valued in the price range that you are considering. Forget it. A tipi in a Vermont winter is a far cry from a storm in the Atlantic for one can always walk away from a tipi in an emergency however you can not walk away from a cheap offshore vessel at sea. Armchair reading and inland lake sailing can be pleasant and romantic, whereas what you are proporting to do on such a limited budget is plain goofy.
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"No bigger than 30ish feet with providing living (albeit tight) accomodations for two.The simpler the better. budget max 15k."

I found 16 listings for cat30's that list for under 20k, in CA, OR, WA..
I'm pretty sure a firm offer of 15 would sail any of 'em home.
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I am looking at the Florida Trader and in Key Largo there's this
1982 Catalina 30' 4'2" draft Roller Furling 5,500 or OBO
Needs engine.
305 451 4700 Paul.
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So here is what we've decided. Trying to buy a boat from vermont in SF, or anywhere else and then transporting to SF is maybe a waste of money and energy, so we are going to move to San Francisco first, and start our search when we get there. Thanks for all of the good insight, thoughts, suggestions etc. Cross your fingers that a solid Alberg 30 will be waiting under the Golden Gate Bridge when we get there
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That's a better plan MK...keep us posted on progress and focus on the MCAT's for a while...all the water is solid up there anyway!
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Not to throw a monkey wench (yes wench) into your equation, But the Pearson ariel is a solid vessel. Big enough to live uncomfortablly in and can be had for a song. There is also a Irwin 37 here in MD the my wife and I looked into, not really our cup of tea but the PO put alot of work into before he fell ill, though that leaves you with transport issues. I would look ingo the Ariel though great little (26 feet) boats. And the support group is great as well.
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