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40' Wilderness Sailboat 1981

Has anyone ever heard of this boat? (we haven't)

40' Wilderness Sailboat 1981 ocean cruiser/racer. VERY FAST ! - $58000
http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/5172

I can't find any info. We (wife and I) are searching for a passage making cruiser in the 60-80k range for an open ended cruise, with possability of a circ. Is this one worth a closer look? Thoughts?
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Why is the engine driven hull speed repoted to be substantially lower then the wind driven speed? What is that squeeze bulb for on the port side of the diesel? Everything is reported to be in excellent condition? I have never seen a 26 year old boat that is in excellent condition, never. Does your wife like the location of the head? Mine wouldn't. If you decide to proceed do all of the due deligence, and don't try to save money on the surveyor which may be the best money you have ever spent.
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The squeeze bulb on the port side of the diesel might be for bleeding air from the fuel lines... I know several boats that have installed a squeeze bulb in the fuel line for just that very reason. Bleeding the air from the fuel lines can be much simpler with one.
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Why is the engine driven hull speed repoted to be substantially lower then the wind driven speed?
Rick, Hum. some boats are like that. ya know....

My boat has a top speed of 9kts with motor, at full RPM, 7,6kts at 2.200Rpm, and I sail way much much faster than that...had her at 17kts last week, and climbing....yessssss. Almost there....

I cruise on sail normally at 10 to 13kts.

As far as this boat goes....me likes it, but me would not go far from home with it!!

Me also does not like rudder and winch location...

Me also says you're nuts doing passage on this boat....

This boat nice to piss T34C off!!!!!
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Anyone notice that even though the text says it has 12 Barient winches, and two are self-tailers... I can see three self-tailing winches in the photo... One in the lower left, and two above the companionway. So, the facts they have are obviously wrong...and probably quite a bit of the other information.

I hope the boat is well-balanced...since it is on a tiller.
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SD, do you Golf???? I think you need some time off....

You're actually counting the winches that are ST??
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Nah, don't believe in golfing... no point to chasing a little white ball around the woods... I was just noticing that the text and photos don't match... and it is rather hard to mistake a self-tailing winch for a non-self-tailing winch... and if they've made that basic a mistake, what else have they screwed up.
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and if they've made that basic a mistake, what else have they screwed up.
The boat?? here is a picture of the real one!!!




This photo, sailing with 32ş heel, and full reef...GPS needs adjustment, but other than that, sails OK!!

Ots very safe too. NO DRWONING guaranteed!!


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Carefull look showed photo to be a BROACH!!!
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The Wilderness looks to be well maintained - but the pictures can be decieving.

The Gary Mull pedigree bodes well, but this was designed (most likely) as a racer and outfitted as racer/cruiser. As such I'm not sure it would be a good offshore boat - and some on this board would reject it out of hand for that purpose.

Don't be scared off by the engine - reliable and low priced parts - its a solid unit. The squeeze bulb is indeed for bleeding the fuel system and this is greatly facilitated by the bulb (we have the same ourselves).

I think if it surveyed well it would be a terrific and attractive coastal cruiser - but perhaps a bit of a handful for just a couple. Cockpit comfort may suffer too as it looks to be more of a racing layout, without coamings to deflect water on deck..

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no opinion on the boat, but it looks like a royal french pain in the a@@ to get below. Unless you're a circus midget.
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