Passagemaker for less than $100k - SailNet Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 20 Old 12-30-2001 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 360
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 14
 
Passagemaker for less than $100k

We''re about three years from retirement and have begun the search for a good bluewater boat. There will only be two of us sailing 90% of the time. We figure 32'' to 37'' will be adaquate for our modest needs. As far as we''re concerned SAFETY is #1, seakindliness and comfort are #2 & 3, speed and windward performance come in last (pardun the pun). As a result we''ve concentrated on boats that have a D/L ratio of over 275, and whose capsize ratio is less than 1.90.

We''ll likely be home ported on the western shore of the Cheasapeake, a draft less tha 6'' feet will also be important. Also, we already know we are likely to run aground (several times), so a full or modified full keel (wihout a CB) is a criterion.

With those parameters in mind, we''ve come up with a list of prospective boats that seem to satisfy most if not all the criteria. The list is rather long, but the following is just the top ten. They are: Bayfield 36 cutter, Endeavour 37 ketch, Tayana Mariner 36 ketch, Westsail 32 cutter, Westerly 33 ketch (if we can find one), Baba 35 cutter, Cheoy Lee 35 ketch, Loomis Sarah 32 sloop or cutter, Offshore 33 cat ketch or sloop, and Tradewind 35 cutter.

All of these boats have at least 6 tons of displacement, and we think that is a fair indicator of seakindliness and in most cases - solid construction. Also, most are either cutters or ketches which we think are easier to sail than sloops (more sails, but each one is smaller and thus easier to handle).

What do you think of our list? Are there any that you would remove or add, and why?

Thanks in advance for your learnered responses.
928frenzy is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 20 Old 12-30-2001
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 629
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 15
 
Passagemaker for less than $100k

kimberlite is a tartan 37 c/b.
there are many in the cheasapeake (sp?)

i love the centerboard for skinny water.
i wouldn''t worry about the centerboard for offshore, the boat has plenty of ballast and has a nice motion with the board up or down.
we have been knocked down flat a few times and she pops right up.

there is an unbelievable amount of storage on board. we carry about 115 gallons if water and about 140 gallons fo diesel, tons of spares lots of food and still everything is in lockers and nothing on deck.

it is a very easy boat to sail as a sloop or cutter

if you would like to see kimberlite fitteout for offshore take a look at http://kimberlite1.homestead.com
there is also a video clip of us running downwind in a gale.
eric
kimberlite is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 20 Old 12-30-2001 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 360
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 14
 
Passagemaker for less than $100k

Thanks for the info about your Tartan 37. I do very much like them, and I''m sure they can be good blue-water boats, but we''re pretty set against CBs. The problem (as we see it) - What if it''s stuck in the down position and were trying to enter a shallow draft area?

Since I''m responding, let me mention other boats on our list. They include: Downeaster 32 cutter, Endurance 35 cutter, Allied Princess 36 ketch, and Vancouver 32 cutter. Some of these are purely hypothetical, as we have not found any for sale in some time. However, we have three years to find a boat, and I''m sure our criteria will likely change by the time we get to the actual purchase stage. That''s why I''m asking for more input.

Thanks again, and please provide more comments and/or suggestions.
928frenzy is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #4 of 20 Old 12-30-2001
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Passagemaker for less than $100k

You might consider a Souther Cross 35. Mine is a Cutter. Good stable roomy rig. She will take you any where you want to go. Ballest around 8k and she draws less than 5 feet.
rmiille is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 20 Old 12-30-2001
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Passagemaker for less than $100k

soorry I ment to say 8 tons.
rmiille is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #6 of 20 Old 12-30-2001
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 629
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 15
 
Passagemaker for less than $100k

tigger,
a tartan 37 did a circumnavigation see the t-37 website.they glassed the c/b over. the way the t-37 centerboard is made and installed it really can''t get "stuck".
it is more of a wing than ballast.
the board probably weighs less than 150 lbs.
eric
kimberlite is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #7 of 20 Old 12-30-2001
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 629
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 15
 
Passagemaker for less than $100k

i have also done a number of long offshore passages in an Alden 52 centerboard. i really wouldn''t limit my search to just keelboats, you have a much greater probability of getting a bulb keel etc wrapped in fishing nets than a jammed centerboard.
eic
kimberlite is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 20 Old 12-30-2001
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 346
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 15
 
Passagemaker for less than $100k

Ahoy, how about a Dickerson? Or mabye a condo in a nice old age home in Florida? Big Red says if you ain''t sailed by now you aint gonna, and if you ain''t test sailed the top five of your wish list yet if your really serious chartered for a while your nuts . Big Red56
BigRed56 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #9 of 20 Old 12-30-2001
Senior Member
 
RichH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 3,388
Thanks: 23
Thanked 142 Times in 132 Posts
Rep Power: 15
 
Passagemaker for less than $100k

http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/Articles/best.htm will lead to some other considerations of types, models and designers. Follow the links there for more technical evaluations, etc. Also consider ''carrying capacity'' that will enable good sailing with a heavily loaded waterline. Websearch/search by *designers* of proven offshore boats: Creighlock, Robert Perry, Robert Harris, etc. When you narrow your search further, consider joining one or two ''owners groups'' as a **prospective owner** for discussions from persons of ACTUAL experience with a particular design, participate in eMail discussion groups, visit rendezvous (to kick some tires, and maybe a friendly test-drive), to locate a boat that is ''just coming onto the market'', etc. etc. etc. Many of the owners groups have eMail discussion groups here on Sailnet - with many ''prospectives'' participating. My selection criteria were similar to yours .... + carrying capacity, decent windward ability and ''respectable'' speed. My final ''hit-list'' was: Tayana-37, Fast Passage-39, Corbin-39, HansChristian36/38, etc. I''m currently refitting a Tayana-37 cutter on the Chesapeake (eastern shore).
:-)
RichH is online now  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #10 of 20 Old 12-31-2001 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 360
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 14
 
Passagemaker for less than $100k

Thank you all for you responses. The list we came up with originated from the database mentioned by RichH. BTW, I will add the Southern Cross and the Dickerson to my list for further review. The others are over 37'' and we need to draw the line somewhere. (BTW, I''ll checkout the CB on the Tartan 37, and if looks to be bulletproof, I''ll add it to my list.)

Since we have about three years till retirement, we figured we''d have plenty of time to "test drive" and "kick the tires" so-to-speak. Right now is the dead of winter, so the best use of our time is spent reading and interacting with knowledgeable boat owners - like you.

Thanks again for all your input. If you think of anything more please feel free to mention it. We know we have much to learn and hope that we can get a head start with valuable input like yours.

~ Fairwinds and happy new year ~
928frenzy is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome