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Valiente, the first recorded bluewater passage appears to have been made in an un-named "Ark" class vessel captained by some guy named "Noah". Records are scanty but it appears there were no jackstraps or other conventional safety equipment onboard and that the captain placed all his faith in divine intervention alone, deeming that sufficient.

So, perhaps Bavaria IS building a true bluewater boat, and it is just the rest of us that have gotten our thinking wrong?
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I suppose I would technically be considered as a green water sailor.
Great Lakes Costal Cruiser Here.
In the middle no more than twenty miles to each shoreline.

If your interested, Cam has started a Poll in a different thread.

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It seems to me that all we discuss are wether this or that is "Blue Water" capable, when in reality, most of us don't intend to do any "Blue Water" sailing.
Some do, but many don't.
This is true, and it's a distinction most don't make, as "bluewater" connotes not only the capabilities of the boat, but via association the skill and experience of the crew.

I won't criticize the decision to buy a wide-open, lightly built production boat if the purposes are, as is 95% of boating, daysailing or coastal cruising. I will criticize taking such boats offshore and expecting offshore endurance or, more likely, a movement so "whippy" that it exhausts and endangers the crew.

What gets up my nose is the representation for the purposes of marketing certain coastal-capable cruisers as "performance bluewater cruisers".

Saying it might get some sales from the "heading to Fiji, stopped in BVIs" crowd (and more power to them if that's what they want), but it does not make said boats offshore-capable.
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Valiente, the first recorded bluewater passage appears to have been made in an un-named "Ark" class vessel captained by some guy named "Noah". Records are scanty but it appears there were no jackstraps or other conventional safety equipment onboard and that the captain placed all his faith in divine intervention alone, deeming that sufficient.

So, perhaps Bavaria IS building a true bluewater boat, and it is just the rest of us that have gotten our thinking wrong?
It wouldn't be the first appearance of faith-based boat design. Look at most of the Hunter line. If they don't induce desperate prayer when seen in ten-foot seas, I don't know what will.
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What gets up my nose is the representation for the purposes of marketing certain coastal-capable cruisers as "performance bluewater cruisers".
Agreed. 100%
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