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Benefits of a new boat...

What are the benefits of a new boat and what would I do different?

All of the boats I have owned were new. THere are several disadvantages to buying new:

1) Cost. (Duh).
2) No gear. You outfit it.
3) Unproven. There is no such thing as a test sail.
4) All kinds of stuff breaks. What this suprises you?? Please. Better get real.
5) Depreciation. (Duh).

Benefits of buying new:

1) In genreal, what you see is what you get. I have gear that breaks, usually pretty quickly though. It is totally supported and replaced FOR me, not BY me or PAID FOR by me (directly).
2) Everything is new. No scratches, bangs, dents, etc, etc. Once you get through the first month or two of problems (and there are a bunch), the boat is really set to go. Versus used, much of the gear you have has different time stamps and different failure points. Did that make sense???
3) No Red-Neck engineering. I have seen many, MANY boats that were used and ran Romex wire (home), wire nuts, Home Depot fixes, and a million other things just make me shake my head. No to mention, everyone is a carpenter (or so they think). I am sure there is an exception, but any boat coming out of a reputable yard will be built under ABYC (or whatever standards of the country of origin).
4) You have the first round on your boat and what you like and dislike. You get to be the carpenter. If there is something screwed up, you did it and have no one to blame but yourself.
5) Your boat LOOKS GOOD. I think this counts as something. Our boats will often cost more than our house. For many of us, it is our home. There are used boats that still look good that have been maintained, but if most of us are honest, you cannot make a boat look and keep looking new forever.
6) Good resources for questions. Believe it or not, you get a lot more help from the dealer when you gave them hundreds of thousands of dollars than if you just walked in off the street and want to ask them a bunch of questions for free. Reality folks. Come on.

All of this said, what would I do different?

THis is me personally, others may differ:

I was shopping for a trawler at the time, not a sailboat. I was stuck between Krogen and Nordhavn, and had put many offers down on both (including losing one BY AN HOUR!!!!!). I might have kept looking for a used trawler. But after going on 1-2 years of trying to buy them, I got absolutely sick of looking and was ready to get out there. New sailboats are easy and you know what you are getting. Also, if I could go back, I might have bought a Bristol, Mason, or Hylas instead. My wife and I have always loved their boats. However, the cost difference (especially on a late model Hylas) is considerable. It was comparable with the Nordhavn, but with less space.

Catalina makes a great boat for the money. I kept more for cruising (since most of what I do is island hopping stuff anyways) and put a lot of gear on board. I came out cheaper with everything new (including panels and batts and electronics, etc... you name it) than just the starting price of a Nordhavn or Hylas 54.

In the end, buying new is not for everyone. I am currently shopping used for my parents because their budget is not the same as mine, but I feel to cruise comfortably you need "A certain size" of boat. THis is where patience and a good surveyor come in.

Hope that helps.

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CD,

We went the other route, found something slightly used and only 4 years old. You have to be patient and dillagent in your searches and eventually (Hopefully) the right boat will come along.

The biggest factor in our decision was the depreciation factor that you mention. We figured, let someone else take that hit.

Also the as you know the First couple of years can be a nightmare on a new boat, stuff happens. We let someone else work out all the kinks.

We get a relativly new boat in ready to sail condition. Of course, all electronics and components were in working order and a Sea Trial was part of the agreement. Any problems we had were addressed by the broker. Like I said, kinda the best of both worlds. Ready to Sail Boat with none of the new boat surprises.
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Tjk,

(sorry all, looking back, this looks like I was offended by TJK. NOT AT ALL... sorry, I am doing several things at once and re-read this and it sounded bad. Sorry TJK!!)

I have no problem used, at all. I was asked about what I would do differently and thoughts, so I explained them. If you can get a used boat that fills your needs, absolutely don't buy new.

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PS TJK, you have a very nice boat.
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I only bought new, since the boat I have wasn't available used...and it was very much exactly what I wanted... I did about three years of research in to what I wanted in a boat...and the only one that really made sense was one that wasn't available used... It's not perfect...but it is a lot closer than anything else I saw on the market, then and now.
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I took a third course. After discovering that I just could not afford what I dreamt of, I tried to be scientific. First decided on the length - I took 35ft. (Because I was told that was big enough to liveaboard and cruise and small enough to single hand). Then I trawled through every price list of used boats I could find (just over 3500 boats of 35ft) and plotted age verses price. That showed then that 25 year old boat prices plateaued. It also showed that boats of the same type tended to cluster. With Nauticats and Fisher and such way up there and those "white plastic" racing things down there.
So the question was then, should I do as stjk1 and buy "almost new" and hope I didn't have to spend any more on gear, or go for age relief and expect to invest in my new toy. I chose the latter, because I knew I would not be able to pass a chandlers without coming out with something absolutely essential everytime. So I divided my budget in half, bought a boat with one half and planned to spend the rest on improving it. So far so good. I am happy that I have yet to see another boat that interests me. (Must be love...)
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In that context, I guess I was lucky with my choice...I got everything I wanted, how I wanted, got all the answers, got all the support I needed from the various suppliers, got all the tests I wanted, would I change anything....well...I am allways changing something, to get that extra 1/2 knot, but in the general would I change anything???

Yes...the stern, would have installed an open one, (but liked the design of the one I made then), bad choice with mast..but the carbon fiber one was $$$$$$$$$, and would have designed the engine location further forward.

As for your points:

1) Cost. (Duh). yes...it was bad.....
2) No gear. You outfit it. I did how I wanted it
3) Unproven. There is no such thing as a test sail. I had
4) All kinds of stuff breaks. What this suprises you?? Please. Better get real. Yes...specially after a few "pushings"
5) Depreciation. (Duh). Actually I won here...was offered a few more Euros than it actually cost me....but I will never sell...Fred and Luis will
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I think we should all be like G and build our own boats, can you imagine who much money the builders would make?

We get eveything exactly how we want it. Don't like the galley, no problem change it. You want how many cabins?, no problem. Carbon Fibre spar, no problem, Cha ching, Cha ching
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