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Well, whoever the original poster was, I think you have your answer. If Giu knows them first hand, there you go. Does not mean it is a bad boat, as Giu said, but be aware of the reality of a stock boat versus, well, highly modified.

Giu knows his stuff, racing at least. I am still working on the whole cruising thing with him, but making progress...!!!

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Yes, I like Dufour too. I had asked Giu about them some time ago and he had recommended them, said they were good boats. So, he is not biased against them.
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What? Invite him to the Captains Table? He has to work his way up to that honor. Of course, I guess when the flame goes out, I could give him the AIm&Flame.

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Blues- Seems kinda hard to say the boat wasn't modified then post a quote from the skipper saying that the keel, hull, sails, rigging, and mast were different?????

So far G- is the only one with first hand knowledge, apart from the quote from the skipper. It is a little off track from the original post, but sounds like Dufour wants to pull a fast one with their marketing.

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Yeah but the real question is: Giu did YOU race her....?........

I looked at the link Giu posted earlier with the boat specs and some photos(Tidewater Marina). Damn fine looking boat!!!!

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Yeah but the real question is: Giu did YOU race her....?........

I looked at the link Giu posted earlier with the boat specs and some photos(Tidewater Marina). Damn fine looking boat!!!!
Since its you asking...

I sailed the "standard" version of the 40 several times (was sold to Spain and I helped the Spanish guy "learn the boat, and sold him 3 mast steps I had bought in West marine) and a 44 performance here, that is doing the IRC championship.

The difference between the performance and the regular dufour is 1 knot no more no less.

I raced against the 44 (because I think its not fare to race against smaller hulls unlike many ), and as I said in my first post...

"to give you an idea, last August, I was dead downwind without spi, just genoa (on pole) and main, racing against a 44 Performance with spi, and racing crew, and I passed him, wining over 18 minutes in a 7 mile run!!"

That is 2,5 minutes per mile!!! without spi....he had spi....

I could pass him to leeward and still sail around them...and that's the 44 performance

If I pick a fight, I don't choose a smaller guy..its not fare
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Giu...doesn't look like you need any help here. The pictures and your knowledge tell the story as it is. You may have to relinguish your "king" ass full of crap title if you keep this up!
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Looks like a heavily modified boat to me, Even I can see that.
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From everything I've seen here, I'll have to agree with Giu. He's definitely the one who's opinion on racing matters I'd give the most weight here.

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Part of the problem with boats that race is that many are modified far from the "stock" configurations, that are generally bought for cruising. While some boat manufacturers may offer different configurations, the "racing" ones may be very different from those sold to the cruising market.

A good analogy is that it is kind of like NASCAR.... which uses "stock" cars... but the cars are nothing like the ones sold to the public. On the NASCAR "stock" cars—there are no stereos, no automatic transmissions, no doors that open—they're welded shut, one on seat, a rollcage... yet it is called a "stock" car. You can't go in to a car dealership and order one like this.

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