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I would say the Portagee kept it pretty well together there, for the most part, and I commend him for it. He obviously feels that the manufacturer is playing a little fast and loose with certain details; the kind of details usually printed in very small type at the bottom of the screen in a TV commercial.

It is perhaps indicative of the sailboat market that they are able to publish such things and expect not to get called on it. They do us, and themselves, no favors by doing so. Giulietta makes a pretty convincing case. I suppose I will now have to pay more attention to his posts on Catalinas, a thought that pains me!

The Dog's reference to NASCAR, and Giu's to Formula 1, are apt. You won't find an automaker claiming that the car on the showroom floor is what you saw on TV last Sunday. They are more than happy that it looks just like it, and want you to feel like Jeff Gordon driving it, but are upfront about such details as Mr. Gordon's car is rear wheel drive and the production car is front wheel drive, and there is not an options list where you can check off rear wheel drive and an extra 500 hp.

Oftentimes the internet provides more heat than light; in this case I would think that a fair amount of light has been shed and we are lucky to have a knowledgable poster such as Giu. In the interest of full illumination, I would think it entirely appropriate for Dufour, or one of their dealers, to respond to any points they feel to be unfair.

And that's about all the pleasantness I am inclined to send the Portagee's way for one day.
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And that's about all the pleasantness I am inclined to send the Portagee's way for one day.
Ahhh... Giu, you have another possible protegé. He will fall to the dark side...
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Giu, you are the reference...

I've never raced...yet...and my knowledge is extremely limited and superficial ... but I would think that hull shape, weight and other design features have some importance to this discussion. For this Dufour 40, they did start with the standard hull including the construction materials and workmanship (yes?). They changed the keel (fair enough). Changed the mast and sails (you have to for this kind of race). lightened the boat....It makes sense if you have the $$$ and want to race with a specific boat to boost "the brand image". Add sailing skills and a little luck and you may have a winning combination. As was mentioned by 'dog' and "sailaway', its part of marketing. Just like BMW, FIAT or HONDA in F1. This is to me a legitimate attempt and activity for a manufacturer. (this is true in all sports. Do you think World Cup Downhill skiers use the same skis and boots we buy in the ski shops?). OK so they were not as publicly forthcoming in terms of the modifications as they should have been. Is this a surprise?

On a related note, I don't know if I'll ever begin to understand (or have the patience for) things like class rules etc. There is wayyyy too much history and attention to detail for me to get a handle on it. I find it extremely confusing in trying to compare boats given the extent of the parameters. like comparing apples with (not even oranges) more like with a ham sandwich or a shoe.... But I'm learning even though I'm not sure I want to....)
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Waymar- I agree with you in concept, but the idea was that you were suppost to race with a standard factory boat. What they did was to take a factory boat, make a bunch of modifications to compete unfairly in an easiler class and then say, "Oh, well, we will make those modifications at the factory if someone wants them."
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