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Ideal Used PHRF Racer

Looking for advice in finding the ideal used PHRF racer (around the bouys and some coastal). Must be at least 30 feet, stable, cost less than $20k and rate favorably in order to qualify. Any ideas out there?
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Do you have an idea of what kind of PHRF rating you're looking for??? The $20K price ceiling is going to really limit your selection of boats IMHO.
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Thx for the quick reply. Re: PHRF: probably low to mid 100s. I race a J/109 today, but looking to retire down south soon and knock around in something I can get for cash. Certainly could go higher if the opportunity arises.
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If you refuse to deal with balsa-cored decks, you'll narrow your search considerably. There's a huge amount of great low PHRF boats out there at 30 feet which are great for club racing but pretty cramped for cruising...and even more at the 27 foot mark...but a lot of them are 1973-1988 models, and if they had balsa decks and have spent 20-30 years getting hauled and frozen, hauled and frozen, they will likely have deck rot. Like almost every C&C of the era, for instance, an otherwise generally great PHRF performer, excepting a couple of models.

Unfortunately, it takes a bit of research to find out stuff like "core material used", as it's not often listed in the ads. Good luck.
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A few boats that might fit the bill are the J/29, the Ericson 29, the Tartan 30, the C&C 33 and the Tarten Ten.

Yes, I know the first two are a bit shorter...but they're pretty close and in your price range...
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If you look in the as of today maybe locally, Boat works magizine, an off shoot of Sail. It has IIRC 15 boats all under 20K that make good at least cruisers IIRC, altho a J29 was listed in the bunch. Couls be a good place to start. J30's locally are at 139, but it may take some work to get one of them up and running. Some of the older Benateau First boats may work, a B30 was listed in the group now that I think about it.

I have a Jeanneau Arcadia 30, rated at 165, THe Attilla is another Jeannuea that may work from the 80's also.

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Neither the J/30 or 29 are particularly stable, they usually race with large crews, all on the rail to keep them up, I think the T10 is similar. My answer to this question 20 years ago was a C&C 30, reputedly the stiffest boat C&C ever made. We never had difficulty sailing at/over rating, light air or heavy, in the heavy air she'd catch many of the bigger boats that started 10 minutes earlier. The Tartan 30 is a comparable boat, these two designs regularly battled for PHRF fleet class honors.

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Sailed on a Tartan 30 many, many years ago. Worth taking a look. How about opinions on the J/36? May be more dough, but worth it if I can find one in good shape???
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The J36, like many of her sisters are also lightly ballasted and would rely on a largish crew to keep her on her feet in a blow. Do/will you have that kind of crew resources available?

If you are hoping to sail with 3 or 4, you need to look smaller, like the older C&Cs, CSs, Tartans etc. Ratings in the low 100s will tend to put you into non planing 34-36 footers, or lightweight planing 24-28 footers. If you put yourself into the high 180 - 190 - 200 range you open up a much wider range of possibilities - C&C 30s, 29s, Ranger 28/29, Viking 28,- all decent performing racer/cruisers that can actually be used for the family cruise when desired.

Running a racing program where you need to have 7 or 8 (or more) onboard to be competitive complicates things.
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Another boat you might want to look at if you are primarly interested in racing would be a S2 9.1.
30 feet long with a better interior than a J 29 or 30 and somewhat stiffer and easier to handle. They have a displacement of 7850 versus 6000 for either of the J boats and a ballast ratio of 42% versus 35% for the Js. They are pretty well mannered, I bought one just over a year ago and selected it over the two Js for that reason. PHRF is about 132.

I think build quality is about the same they can all have problems. There is a good 9.1 web site which is down right now.

However as has been stated here many times, any of these boats priced under $20k is likely to need a lot of work and end up costing more in the long run versus buying one that has been kept in good shape.

Been there doing that.

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