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True, and there actually seems like there is a break at 24 feet to 'bigger' boats. I think this may be because the width of trailerable boats has to conform to something like 8'5" to be legal on the road, so after a boat gets a certain length, all hopes of trailering go out the window and they can get beamy, which of course means more room. Then again, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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The legal maximum width is 8' 6" in a majority of the states. Anything wider generally requires a wide-load permit.
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24'

I dont know about the cost in the US but on Vancouver Island morage jumps when you go over 24' the next slip size is 30' and they charge more per foot in some places. We did the same thing as you, and first looked at catalina 27's but they were just out of our price. We ended up with a good san juan 24 for $4500 it still cost another $3000 to get it usable, the morage is another $1800 per year + $300 for haul out in the spring + bottom paint etc $500 etc etc. As for the US29 its built like crap they go for about $2400-$4000 for a mint one around here.
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FYI, example of 24 foot purchase

Breakdown of my costs so far - 24 foot Kent Ranger in decent condition except for electrical, which I can do myself:

boat sans motor - 2600
license and tax - 180
new yamaha motor - 2200
haul out and marine survey - 400
vhf radio - 130
new bulkhead compass - 120
safetly stuff ( flares, fire extingisher, etc) - 110
expected rigging survey and upgrades - 1500
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My budget for purchase had been 7k. Fortunately my Admiral approved the overrun...

Now, monthly costs..

Slip fee 175
Slip fee tax and environmental fee 30
insurance 10
electric ?
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230?

Then gas and unexpected breakages etc on top of that.


I had decided that I wouldn't own a boat unless it was within 10 minutes of my house, otherwise I wouldn't be able to take impulsive afternoon sails. So I'm paying a bit more, there is cheaper moorage in puget sound but it's worth it to me to be close.
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btw, I almost got a SJ 24 too, really nice little boat.
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I'd agree with Tenuki that having the boat relatively nearby and keeping it in the water if possible, while a bit more expensive, is definitely the way to go. Even though my boat is technically trailerable, since it is a folding trimaran... I prefer to keep it in the water. It makes the difference between deciding to go out for an afternoon sail, or not.
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The boat!

I went down to look at the boat yesterday. All of your advice was right on the money; the only thing was that I did not need a surveyor to tell me it was junk! The mast was bent or twisted not sure which but ot looked strange and the spreaders were in weird spots. The rudder had latteral movement and when the boat hit a wave water came in the rudder hole on the bottom. The engine was in great shape (it really was rebuilt) so if anyones loking for a Yanmar 14hp you could probably get the boat cheap and salvage the engine. All the lines were rotton (I mean rotton). The broker asked if I wanted to put up the sails and I said no; says something about a sailboat when your afraid to put up the sail for fear of things breaking. It looked to me like the fibreglass at the base of the mast was bubbled on one side I went below deck and the wall for the head was free from the ceiling. The bottom had water in it and I saw som little cracks where the keel plates bolted onto the bottom of the boat. The boat did, however, have a tonne of racing gear including two 6inch winches. I didn't take the boat out of the water but I could see that it was seriously fouled (I can imagine what it would have looked like).

I loved the size of the boat and am convinced that I do not want anyhting smaller than twenty seven feet. I am not woried about moorage as I have a mooring block and the harbour where I live only want 100 per month for moorage and if I have to store it away from home the moorage is 140 per month (I have already researched all these costs and talked to local boat owners). In the bigger boat range I have now looked at Erwin 28' and the US 29 and in both of these boats I liked the head room (though the Irwin was not a beamy boat)
I am still looking for a boat. I have 6 thousand saved at this point and will work to increase that over the next month. I will look at "for sale by owner sites" and take more walks on the docks in my area. If anyone hears of a boat or have more recomendations on where to find a boat let me know. I am a very handy person and have acces to a full wood shop and I have some experience working with wiring. I would say my weakness is in the mechanical area but I do know the basics. So I do not mind a boat that needs work as long as I can sail it and it is structuraly sound. (one life to live why spend it trying to hold onto your money... Who cares It's just money. Budget and spend wisely but don't let fear of spending stop you from enjoying life. This may be hard for some to awallow but there it is).

Thanks for all the great advice so far guys/gals!
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So you see? Sometimes what sounds like a good deal isn't after all.... Anyhow you now know more about what things to look for, and things can only improve from now on!

There are plenty of good sailing boats out there in your size range for under 10K, - Ranger 29s, Cat 27s, C&C 27, Mirage 26/27, Ericson 27s etc. Some prime examples of these models may ask higher prices, but what the ultimately sell for may differ.

Shopping is fun, it doesn't cost a lot to look, so look lots and get a real idea of what appeals to you and what doesn't.
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