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Another problem is that adding area to the rudder shifts the underwater center of lateral resistance aft, and that can affect the ability to balance the sailplan of the boat.

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you might want to sail it yourself for oh, a year or two before its decided that you need anything like that

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You were the only one that found a negative, and it was on another board and second hand. Methinks that if this boat passes survey and your test sail, you should follow cardiac's advise and sail it for a few years to see if it is really a problem. I have not seen anyone here that actually knows if it is a problem, and it is a little early to try to do a pro's job of redesigning a rudder system.....that may not need to be redesigned.
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This might be a tough problem to address, if indeed it's a real problem on these boats...
I agree with this...it's strictly anecdotal at this point. It's a simple matter to arrange for a sail test on the crappiest day possible (or at least one that replicates the alleged problems with the steering) and to deliberately try to throw the boat around. It's very possible that a decent sailor won't have the problem, or will be aware how to alter trim to solve it.

Many otherwise good boats have a problematic point of sail. Certainly given the age and the price of the boat, if it's an endemic design flaw, I would move on.
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Having formerly owned a Keel centerboard for more than 2 decades, try this.

When on sea trial, set the vessel on a downwind course. Trim the sails to as neutral a balance as possible and slowly raise the centerboard. Stop at several points and note the difference in balance. One will see a marked improvment at some level of board trim. Many keel configured boat sailors forget that a centerboard does not only contribute windward ability but is also a great mechanism for trim and balance.

You may find that with the board all the way up she wants to go downwind or the best balance point is at a somewhat less point of trim.

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Just got some good news. We got a approved for the loan. I am officaly getting scared. I have been dreaming for so long I cant believe its realy happing. Shure hope its the right boat!! Thanks for all the info guys.
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Good luck ESKfreedom..

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Had the engine surveyed today. Things were pretty good concidering the age of the boat. The genny has an exhaust leak and there are gate valves on everything but other than that its in good shape. We will know for sure when we get the oil samples back
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I spent the day with the owner rigging up the sails. Tuesday we are going on sea trials. Wensday we are doing the survey and Friday we close "after we negotiate the price". He wanted $99500 I offered $92 and he accepted but after thinking about all the money for fixing and updating. I am going to offer between 82-86 depending on the survey. Iam confident he will accepte. I am glad at least one of you guys knows what a wanker is or else we would be in trouble. Swabbot, I would verry much like to discuse your boat with you. So send me a private messege.
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Good luck with the sea trials and survey.

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