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Bardo 06-06-2007 04:00 PM

Luders 33
 
Anyone have first-hand (or second, or third.....) knowledge of the Allied Luders 33? I am considering stepping up from my wonderful Bristol 29 to something with room enough for the family. We sail on the Chesapeake mostly, but look forward to some blue water sailing soon. Perhaps to Maine.

TSteele65 06-06-2007 04:10 PM

I don't think you're going to see much difference in interior volume on the Luders (Allied or Cheoy Lee?). The Luders 33 is an early 60s CCA design; narrow and lots of overhang, which doesn't translate well into interior space.

sailingdog 06-07-2007 12:11 AM

And IIRC, the Bristol 29 is probably a bit better in terms of seaworthiness and comfort ratios and all that.

Bardo 06-07-2007 10:57 AM

I went on-board the Luders yesterday. Not a bad boat, but I agree with your cautions. For purity of line and sea-kindliness I don't know that I can much improve on my B29. How about the larger Bristols? Do they have the same strengths as the B29? I understand the difference between the first and second gen boats, and steer away from 29.9 and its fellows.

TSteele65 06-07-2007 12:01 PM

Have you thought about a Bristol 32?

Jeff_H 06-07-2007 01:27 PM

The third generation boats like the 31.5, 35.5 and 38.5 were excellent boats in terms of build quality, seaworthiness and sailing ability, especiallyas compared to the earlier designs (with the 31.5 being my least favorite of that series.)

I am a very big fan of the Bristol 34 which was a Halsey Herreshoff design and represented a big leap in build quality, seaworthiness and sailing ability over the earlier Bristol 32's. They are comparatively rare boats but I was aboard a nice example last year.

I have a fair amount of time on and racing against Luder 33's and on Bristol 32's for that matter. While I like the Luders 33 better than the Bristol 32, neither are especially good boats for the Chesapeake (really poor light air ability and really poor behavior in a chop) especially as compared to the Bristol 34. I think that you would be disappointed in both the Luders 33 and Bristol 32 as compared to your Bristol 29.

Respectfully,
Jeff

Bardo 06-07-2007 01:42 PM

I have been looking at both the Bristol 32 and 34 recently. The problem with the 34 seems to be to find one old enough to fit my budget. While there are a number of the 32's in the early generation, I have seen no 34's. When were they built?

Jeff_H 06-07-2007 01:54 PM

If I remember correctly the Bristol 33 and 34 (the 34 was an improved version of the 33) were built from 1970 through 1976

wumhenry 06-08-2007 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bardo
I went on-board the Luders yesterday. Not a bad boat, but I agree with your cautions. For purity of line and sea-kindliness I don't know that I can much improve on my B29. How about the larger Bristols? Do they have the same strengths as the B29? I understand the difference between the first and second gen boats, and steer away from 29.9 and its fellows.

Why steer away from a 29.9? :confused:
I bought one last year, against Jeff H's advice. He was all thumbs-up on the Bristol 34 and thumbs-down on the 29.9, which I don't understand, because the lines are pretty similar.

seabreeze_97 06-08-2007 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteele65
Have you thought about a Bristol 32?

No real gain in interior volume here. Both the 29 and 29.9 have quarterberths, the 32 doesn't. While there's room for one if it had been laid out differently, it would still be smaller due to the narrow stern quarters of the 32. However, the 32 is very stoutly built and quite seaworthy.


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