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Though this thread is long I don't think it's been mentioned: the Gozzard 31 or 36, well-built and holding it's value. It's closest competitors are Shannon and Cabo Rico.
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what?

First of all, I have no idea why people are talking about 31’ boats and 37’ boats and whatever. This is about pocket cruisers. To me, a pocket cruiser MUST be able to be pulled on a trailer by a regular vehicle without any special permit or anything (this means 8’ beam or less). A pocket cruiser SHOULD be able to be launched and retrieved from a trailer without the need for a harness or marina help or anything. That is why it’s called a “pocket cruiser”.

However, I will stretch the list here, since finding a true pocket cruiser that is also truly bluewater is tough. A pocket cruiser is better suited, for instance, for trailering to the Pacific Northwest and cruising around the islands, or the Great Lakes, or the Keys or Bahamas, etc.

True Pocket Cruisers (Able to self launch/retrieve from a trailer)
Alberg 22/Cape Dory 22
South Coast 23/Kittiwake 23
Sea Sprite 23
Flicka 20
Nonsuch 22
maybe a ComPac 23

Larger Pocket Cruisers (Harder or impossible to launch/retrieve from a trailer. See “Twenty Small Boats...” for a good list)
Dana 24
Cape Dory 25/25D
Contessa 26
Cape Dory 27
Albin Vega 27
etc...
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Under Nwarrern's criteria, he's missed a few good boats...

Most of the West Wight Potters would qualify. As would the following trimarans:

Corsair 24
Corsair 28*
Corsair 31*
Farrier F24
Farrier F27*
Telstar 26*
Telstar 28
Dragonfly 800
Dragonfly 900*
Dragonfly 1000*

* Have made trans-Atlantic and/or trans-Pacific passages.

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As we often do, we forget the original questioner starting these threads.

Newbie >wcanderson> asked for advice for 30'-38' bluewater boats.
Though he mistakenly called them pocket cruisers he's probably not interested in 20'-26' trailerables.
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"To me, a pocket cruiser MUST be able to be pulled on a trailer by a regular vehicle without any special permit or anything (this means 8’ beam or less). "

Why is 8' beam or less the the max? Most power boats max out at 8'6" of beam to be street legal in the PNW and the rest of Canada. Could it be that not all US states share the same standards? This really has a negative impact on the boat building industry because a few hold out states are not uniform with the rest of the country so builders restrict the beam enough to include the holdouts. Why don't they get with the program and go to 8'6".
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Street legal widths can be as narrow as 8' in some states.

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I can't believe we're trying to use a landlubbers regulation (street legal width/beam) to define what makes a cruising sailboat worthy of the "pocket" adjective.

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I wasn't... Nwarrenchuk was... Personally, I think a pocket bluewater cruiser is any bluewater capable boat that is under 30' in LOA. I don't think it has anything to do with being trailerable, or a certain width.

The Heavenly Twins 26 is one catamaran that has made many bluewater passages, as has the Catalac 8m. In fact most of the HT26s and Catalac 8Ms in this country crossed the Atlantic on their own power to get here.

While I wouldn't call the Telstar 26 a proper bluewater cruiser, I know that quite a few have made bluewater passages, and the majority of the Telstar 26s in this country got here on their own.

The Flicka, Westerly Nomad, Contessa 26, Albin Vega, Pearson Triton, West Wight Potters, Sea Sprites, Dana 24, and many other small sailboats would make fairly decent pocket cruisers and have made many a bluewater passage among their sisterships.

However, it wasn't all that long ago that boats under 35' were very common as "cruising" boats... and the philosophy of cruising on a smaller boat is very different from that of cruising on a 40'+ boat.

Most of the people I know cruising on smaller boats are out there to be sailing... and want to leave much of the modern "rat race" behind them. They are often tired of the rampant commercialism and materialistic conspicuous consumption that seems to be running amok in modern society. They are of the mind set of who really needs a 4000 sq. ft house to live in??? especially when it is just two people living in all of that space. They don't have a television on their boat... they didn't buy a new car every three years, and often see sailing on a smaller boat as a end in itself, rather than as a mode of transportation, which seems to be more the case with the 40'+ crowd. Larry and Lin epitomize this group and mindset... go small, go simple, go now...

I guess it all really depends on why you are out there... A good friend of mine and his better half bought a 10M boat, and since they bought it in March, have put well over 1500 miles on it, cruising the New England area. They are preparing themselves and their boat for long-term cruising. Their boat doesn't even have standing headroom AFAIK. But, as they said to me, they'd rather have her than have to put of going cruising another five years. What are your priorities...

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I agree with the two prior posters that historically there was nothing in the definition of a pocket cruiser that meant it had to be trailerable. Then again it is nice when a pocket cruiser can be trailered.

For that matter there was nothing in the term 'pocket cruiser' that meant it had to be bluewater capable. That is why the title of this thread, Bluewater pocket cruisers strikes me as not at all redundant.

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There are lots of pocket cruisers... but not all would qualify as bluewater capable. The Catalina 22, 25, 250, the Hunter 25, the Compac line of sailboats, the Marshall Cats, are all "pocket cruisers" but none are what I'd call bluewater capable.

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