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I agree, SD. I'd venture to say that most pocket cruisers are NOT bluewater capable. At least not for my sensibilities.

However, I just spoke with a couple of people in Southern California that routinely (6x per year) sail their Hunter 24 and Catalina 25 to Santa Catalina Island. I know it's "only" a distance of 25-30 miles offshore, but the weather can get mighty nasty in that channel. All day I've been thinking in my head if I'd make that trip in those boats. I'm sure the trip is made in much lesser boats. In fact, I've made the trip in a Whaler Outrage 18 to go diving. In any case, it pays to know your boat and know your abilities.
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I don't know if I'd consider a trip to Catalina Island bluewater...

Bluewater IMHO generally indicates that help is not immediately available, where a Helo could generally get to someone making a trip to Catalina Island relatively easily.

Going to Bermuda is definitely bluewater... since for a majority of the trip, getting even a helo over to you would be a matter of the better part of a day if you're lucky.
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?? Why the 24 and not the 27? That would seem more similar ..
TAK,

Sorry, I missed your question from a few days back about why I suggested that someone interested in the Shannon 28 should compare with the PSC Dana 24, or vice versa. The answer is because these boats are extremely similar not just in hull form, but also in belowdeck layout. They both have an "open" interior with aft head. If someone finds this arrangement appealing, then the Shannon will offer "more of the same", and the Dana somewhat "less of the same". So that is the reason for my suggestion to compare them.

The PSC Orion 27, while a very nice boat in it's own way, comes with several different interior layouts, none of which are similar to the Dana or the Shannon 28. Anyone interested in the Orion 27 should note that there are Mark I and Mark II versions. The interior options are more or less the same (a bit more room in the head, though), but from the exterior the coachroof of the Mark II is extended further forward, allowing for five openning portlights per side (instead of four) and a second overhead hatch (under the boom).
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However, I just spoke with a couple of people in Southern California that routinely (6x per year) sail their Hunter 24 and Catalina 25 to Santa Catalina Island. I know it's "only" a distance of 25-30 miles offshore, but the weather can get mighty nasty in that channel.
I know people who have sailed hobbie cats there...
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Posting late, and my appologies if someone has already posted this URL for a lot of discussion about Pocket Cruisers (I haven't read all 12 pages).

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11492
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No one put a catamaran on this list? Hmmm.... I'll list a couple that can be obtained for a reasonable price used.

1. Fontaine Pajot Tobago 35
2. 36' PDQ MKIII LRC
3. 35' Charter Cats, SA Wildcat 35 MKII (Controversial, but One just returned from a circumnavigation)

What can I say... I'm a catamaran guy.

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I wasn't... Nwarrenchuk was... Personally, I think a pocket bluewater cruiser is any bluewater capable boat that is under 30' in LOA. I don't think it has anything to do with being trailerable, or a certain width.
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However, it wasn't all that long ago that boats under 35' were very common as "cruising" boats... and the philosophy of cruising on a smaller boat is very different from that of cruising on a 40'+ boat.

Most of the people I know cruising on smaller boats are out there to be sailing... and want to leave much of the modern "rat race" behind them. They are often tired of the rampant commercialism and materialistic conspicuous consumption that seems to be running amok in modern society. They are of the mind set of who really needs a 4000 sq. ft house to live in??? especially when it is just two people living in all of that space. They don't have a television on their boat... they didn't buy a new car every three years, and often see sailing on a smaller boat as a end in itself, rather than as a mode of transportation, which seems to be more the case with the 40'+ crowd. Larry and Lin epitomize this group and mindset... go small, go simple, go now...

I guess it all really depends on why you are out there... A good friend of mine and his better half bought a 10M boat, and since they bought it in March, have put well over 1500 miles on it, cruising the New England area. They are preparing themselves and their boat for long-term cruising. Their boat doesn't even have standing headroom AFAIK. But, as they said to me, they'd rather have her than have to put of going cruising another five years. What are your priorities...
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Sadler 34,(deep keel version) filled with buoyancy and advertised as unsinkable (one lost its back end in the English channel and stayed afloat).

Great boats, thats why I have owned one for the past few years.
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