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Cats? .....pardon me?
Sorry, I sometimes refer to Catalina's as cats. Your cat just flips.

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To go blue water catamarans need to be quite large there fore expensive! Mono hulls will better carry the fuel, provisions and water than a similar sized cat, due to not having a bridge clearance problem which causes severe hammering, slapping from rough choppy sea.

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Are Cats that bad?
No they aren't - I was being facetious. They do a very good job and there are many thousands of satisfied Catalina owners, but with the possible exception of the largest ones, they are not engineered for long periods offshore.

This not to say that you can't sail them across the Atlantic, however if you were to spend a lot of time sailing through hurricanes, and you had a friend sailing next to you on a Pacific Seacraft, or Valiant, or one of several other "offshore" boats, you may find that parts were breaking on your boat more often than on their boat.

MacGregors however, are indeed that bad - don't buy one if you are going to be sailing in anything more than a 5 knot breeze, every third weekend, for about 1/2 hour. They are suited to that but no more...

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To go blue water catamarans need to be quite large there fore expensive! Mono hulls will better carry the fuel, provisions and water than a similar sized cat, due to not having a bridge clearance problem which causes severe hammering, slapping from rough choppy sea.
Another person brainwashed by the new marine media agenda. The Heavenly Twins, Catalac 8M, Iroquois, and Gemini catamarans have all made bluewater passages without trouble. The HT is only 26' long. The Geminis are 35' or so.

Yes, a low bridge deck can be a problem, as can overloading, but to sail across oceans does not require a large boat. People have been doing just that for many years, before the 40'+ boats came along.

The Polynesians were crossing the southern Pacific ocean years before the Europeans left sight of shore, and did so in multihulled boats.

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Thanks Sailingdog... Now I thought all of the "down under" guys fully understood the benefits of having 2 hulls and 2 engines. My Cat is a Catalac, which is a small cruising catamaran. It was sailed from Europe to the USA and I would not hesitate to go wherever I desire in her.

It's possible that you might have been misinformed.

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Rick... amended my post to add the Catalac 8M's which are nice little cats.

BTW, cruising on a trimaran generally requires a longer LOA than a Catamaran, since a trimaran generally has less space than a catamaran or monohull of same LOA, as well as less ability to bear weight.

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Hey Guys (Rick & SD)

Don’t get me wrong, I would love a Catamaran, but don't have buckazoids. Chartered a 34' Cat in the Whitsunday’s with two other families and when the short chop built up with wind against tide we had severe slapping under the bridge deck. I got to the point it was concerning and I had to stop taking the waves head on, and another thing it felt like the boat was walking from one hull to the other; admittedly this was a motion I was not used too. I have nothing against Cats (unless they are fluffy) they just can not carry the same load as a mono of a similar size.

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Just getting back to Sailormann's premise of sailing a Catalina alongside a PS and having more stuff break. I think it would work out just fine, cause you'd have to heave to and wait for the PS to catch up once in a while anyway.
Sorry, just gettin' sensitive about my Catalina being called everything from "The Oldsmobile of sailboats" to "unusable beyond sight of land". As early as 1970 Tristan Jones wrote that "most production boats made today will withstand far more at sea then will the people on board her".
And I must agree that the most frustrated looking group you'll ever see on the water is people trying to sail the newer Mac's.

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Capttb,

they're just yankin' chains

more to the OP's subject:
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Seems like the easy thing to do would be to list those vessels not suitable for the op's needs. but that might start a fight.
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