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A center cockpit tends to make for a more seaworthy boat, especially if it's on the smaller side. Not the least benefit is a substantially more comfortable ride in weather. If the teeter-totter is moving violently up and down, riding in the center of it is going to be far less violent than out on the end.
Umm... a center-cockpit boat generally has a higher center of gravity, and is generally a bit less seaworthy than the aft-cockpit version of the same boat.
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Bene's are production boats. Production runs are where they make their money. Little changes, sometimes almost in number only, are OK.

My guess is if Bene stopped making a smaller CC it was for only one reason: They did not sell enough! The reason they did not sell would be up for discussion, but I certainly don't think that the production people would abandon a market if it existed in any volume.
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Umm... a center-cockpit boat generally has a higher center of gravity, and is generally a bit less seaworthy than the aft-cockpit version of the same boat.

That *can* be the case, but if the tankage and the engine is directly below that cockpit, and the main mast is directly forward, all the heavy stuff is either on the line of the keel near the center of the boat or actually right *at* it.

Some aft cockpit boats feature mid-cabin "engine boxes", which give 360 degrees of access and put the engine where it should be: the middle of the boat below the CE of the sails.

But this screws up most people's cabin layouts. On a center cockpit with an engine bay below, it's a "feature"!
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I think the center cockpit boat needs to be 40+ feet for the scale to be aceptable. Otherwise the aft cabin starts to look like a coffin.
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Also, on some center cockpit boats, especially the smaller ones, the access to the aft cabin is somewhat tight, or in the case of some boats non-existent. I think that an aft cabin that is not easily accessible to the rest of the boat without going through the cockpit is pretty barbaric.
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For most well designed sailboats CG is not the first concern regarding seaworthiness. A cockpit full of water may in fact ultimately lower the vessel's CG at the cost of the not inconsiderable reduction in her seaworthiness. (g)

Taking into account the factor of crew fatigue as a matter of seaworthiness, the center cockpit recommends itself in weather. If you'd like to examine this I'll set my teeter-totter up in the backyard and we can do some testing. Lunch will be served......afterwards.
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Dawg...our O'day 32CC had a non-connected aft cockpit...we sheltered the cockpit with a bimini/enclosure keeping the kids up front and us in the back and had the kind of privacy you don't get on a 32' aft cockpit. We did not find it barbaric...I do howver find a mono-hull with training wheels rather barbaric! (G)
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Question for Cam,

I have only sailed in one small CC. I think it was a S2, but really am not certain. It seemed to be a very wet ride in rough weather. Closed to the bow, etc..

Is that normally true of the smaller CC, or was this boat the exception?
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Wally...take a look at the ODay 32 as well.

Badadim...in addition to the nice, spouse friendly aft cabin...you also steer the boat from a higher, more central position and I find that to be an advantage in keeping you dry as well as there is less bouncing around than at the ends of a boat. On the downside...it is harder when docking since you must leave the cockpit to tend the lines...so you need crew.
I have no personal experience with them but I had always heard that CCs were wet.
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This coming from the guy selling his sailboat to buy an RV—the ultimate in monohulls with training wheels..

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Dawg...our O'day 32CC had a non-connected aft cockpit...we sheltered the cockpit with a bimini/enclosure keeping the kids up front and us in the back and had the kind of privacy you don't get on a 32' aft cockpit. We did not find it barbaric...I do howver find a mono-hull with training wheels rather barbaric! (G)
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