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Been a while since I've watched the rally... I guess I'm living in the past... But it's nice here
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ahoy badadim,

Sorry for the long winded post, but here goes..

Other than the beneteau, all of those boats are rated ocean class A, which means they are not supposed to fall apart. However as history shows it's usually the crew that gives up before the boat, so you need it to be easy on you as well.

I personally really love the hanse, seriously considering the 400, but mostly for coastal. If you look at the 400 or 430, I think you will find no handholds either above or below decks. So you would need to add things like that.

I didn't see Jeanneau in your list, but if you are considering beneteau it might fit well. Personally, I'm not a Jeanneau fan out of aesthetics and design.

The owner of a local seattle dealer, marine service center, is currently circumnavigating in a Jeanneau 49i. Their blog is here: Ruby Slippers » Rard Family Ocean Adventure

I think that gives you an idea of what is possible with a production cruising boat, I'm sure you could contact MSC direct to see how they outfitted it, or troll through their blog for nuggets. I'd read the wife's posts to try and eliminate any bias the guy might have as a jeanneau dealer

I know that doesn't help you with center cockpit, I like the concept of center cockpit, but I wouldn't narrow to Beneteau just to get it if I was seriously thinking about crossing oceans. I'd widen the net first.

Check out myhanse.com for hanse information if you haven't already. someone took a Hanse 371 across in the ARC, and I think they won in their class.

I think if you are staying out of the northern lattitudes, center cockpit is less necessary, depends on your cruising goals. Check out the information on mahina.com on cruising boat selection as well.

Best of luck,

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To draw an analogy between the boats you list, and automobiles - the type of use that you are planning to put your boat through could be compared to the Paris-Dakar Car Rally. Exciting, tough, rewarding !

While many drivers of automobiles may get very interested in the rally when it is happening, follow it in the news and think to themselves "gee - I'd really like to do that someday", most of them will never do much more than drive to work and maybe drive down to Disneyland with the family once a year.

So the people who enter the rallies, tend to buy tough, well-made cars and then customise them for their intended use. They tend to buy and drive things other than Chevies, Fords, Volkswagens, etc..

The vast majority of drivers though, buy a new car, drive it until they tire of it or it craps out, trade it in and get a new one. They buy the Chevies, Fords, Volkswagens, etc..

Hanse, Bavaria, Beneteau and Tartan are the Fords, Chevies, and Volkswagens of the boating world. You want/need something a little closer to a Landrover, or at least a heavy-duty Subaru...
I would put Tartan in a more blue water capable category than the others, although I know little or nothing about Hanses.
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If you are dedicated to center cockpits, I would look at Hallberg-Rassy, Sweden and Najad
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HR's and Najad's are in another league than the others, also pricewise. But if you can find a used one in mint condition and with a full inventory you might actually get a better boat for the same price. I just saw a calculation somewhere that you'd have to pay 30-60% EXTRA to go from a "ready-to-sail" boat like the Bavaria/Hanse etc. to a boat equipped for cruising. You'll have a lot to add to any boat you're buying, so the more inventory you can get with it the better. And the cheapest way to get a windvane is to get it with a boat (I don't have a clue about US prices, so please forgive me if the above does not apply to any of you)
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Well, Paul77, "Other than the beneteau, all of those boats are rated ocean class A" is simply wrong.

Badadim clearly stated 39 to 45 foot range and a sailboat.
I think all of the Beneteau current cruising models in this range are rated category A. also all of the older models I checked are also rated A.
It does not mean that one can compare them with Hallberg-Rassy, but that is a different price tag.
Did you know there are 41 Beneteaus enrolled to the 2007 ARC?
Some are the bigger models, but quite a few are the Oceanis 393, 411 or 423, which are all in the range discussed.

About center or aft cockpit: For me aft cockpit also have some benefits depending on cruising area.
Swim platform makes dinghy access and swimming so much easier on aft cockpit. Also on a cruising Bene the mainsail traveler is on cabin top so not in the way at all - you can have spray hood (dodger) and bimini installed while sailing and have no problem with sunburns. The aft cockpit is also bigger, so more place for your kids to play.
If it gets filled by water in bad weather it have a large (more than foot by foot) opening to drain at the end.
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Just because a boat has an EU RCD classification of "A" or unlimited Ocean... it really doesn't mean that the boat is suitable for making ocean crossings.
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I would put Tartan in a more blue water capable category than the others,
I would concur that it's a notch above the others.
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Those Bavarias with the keels that fell off a couple of years ago were also rated Ocean Class A.
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