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Sure they were... Tartan ranked somewhere down below Bendytoy...
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I am deeply saddened that Tartan is even mentioned in the same vicinity as the others

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Tartan makes an excellent boat ... The current 4400 and 5100 are DEck Salon models and have exposed spade rudders which I am not a fan of for ocean cruising.
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What is exposed spase rudder and why you are so negative about this? Please explain.
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Exposed spade rudders are only held in place and supported by the rudder stock... and are far more vulnerable to impact damage than a skeg hung or keel hung rudder. While some transom hung rudders are almost as vulnerable, they are not as difficult to access if damaged. This is a photo of a spade rudder.

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Here is a sample of what a skeg hung rudder looks like:


As you can see, the rudder is supported by both its' internal post and attachments to the built in skeg which is a part of the hull. This skeg also serves as protection from debris and helps catching the rudder on fising lines, crab pots etc.
While lots of spade rudder boats are out there crossing oceans...I like the extra measure of safety that a skeg hung rudder provides.
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What kind of rudder are you getting on your RV??

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good illustrations Cam. Common sense seems to show that a spade is just a log away from being knocked off completely. I am sure they are better for racing since the skeg itself creates drag when you turn the rudder and the skeg doesn't turn. But with a spade the rudders are only held on by bearings. Logically it would be much weaker.

I would think if you had a backup steering system, such as a windvane system, the spade would become more of a possibility for a long crossing. At least if you lost it you could still steer the boat.

Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things y%^&*.....oh never mind. 90% of the people on sailing forums already use that as their signature! I'm not a conformist.
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This is partial skeg (Cam made full skeg)


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Actually Tomaz...I did not show a partial skeg but your drawing illustrates it well. My own view is that a partial skeg is better than none! All mine were FULL skegs of various designs which extend the full length of the rudder. Probably a language thing. Good work on the art...I think we now have illustrations of everthing that isn't hung off the stern! (G)
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