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a couple multihull questions

This is my first post , I have been reading the forums for a few weeks now. I am looking to purchase my first "full size" sailboat in the next 8 months or so. I have spent many hours on a sunfish (family property that stays at parents beach house), and slightly less on an 18' Hobie catamaran (which i consider full sized but is owned by a friend). I would like something that can carry 4 people consistantly, and 6, or 7 people for just a few hours a time when the family gets together. I will be sailing on Texas lakes and bays mostly but need to beach on Bolivar Texas (Galveston). I want a multihull, but am worried about how much weight they can carry after reading posts. I have a $20,000 budget including costs for first few years of use. Anyways, I wouldnt mind starting with a Hobie catamaran, but would rather have something like a Farrier tramp/eagle or bigger.

1. How much weight can the farrier Tramp/Eagle hold, and how big is the cockpit?
2. Is it possible to pick up something more like 24 footer for my budget? Although i will want to spend some nights onboard, i dont mind putting up a tent or sleeping under a tarp, i enjoy camping so i dont think it would be much different. would it be?
3. Should i get a monohull for my first boat, even though i would rather have a multihull? After all i would rather sail than watch from ashore.
4. How much weight can the 24 foot trimarans carry?
5. How much weight can the 27 foot trimarans carry?

when asking about weights boats can carry, i would like to know at what weight do the boats start loosing performance, and what is the most weight they can carry? Is there much difference beetween these two numbers? If anyone can think of any sugestions for multi or monohulls i should take a look at feel free to speak up. Thanks

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1) Weight is a problem on most trimarans. The Farrier Eagle/Tramp is only 19' long or so, and I would be hesistant to load it up with more than four people for any extended period of time.


2) Yes, you could pickup a 24' multihull, but it would probably be in pretty rotten shape. Generally, the 24-25' trimarans are in the $30,000+ price range.

3) Get any sailboat...having a sailboat is better than not... but if you really want a multihull, get a small dinghy and sail that, and save your money until you can get what you really want. Most sailing dinghies are easy to resell, and usually you can get close to what you paid for it—if you bought it a good price.

4 & 5) See 1.

The amount of weight a trimaran starts to lose performance at is really quite dependent on what kind of trimaran it is. A fat lazy cruising trimaran probably can absorb the weight better than an ultra-light high-performance racing trimaran, since the racing trimaran probably has higher-aspect ratio hulls and smaller floats to begin with.

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A catamaran is what you should be looking for. The sizes your talking about would include the stiletto and wharram catamaran. They are still wieght sensitive but can carry more then a trimaran. Thomas forth Jones discusses the wharram cats in a couple of his books. These are mostly home made in the sizes your looking for, but the four I've been on have been well made. I looked at a wharram tiki 21 a couple of years ago, it was going for $7,000 . It needed a bit of cosmetic work but was in great shape. You did not say if you intended to trailer or keep it at a marina most of the time. This would help you decide which type of boat is going to be best. Above 18' any multi hull will have to have either folding amas or be assembled and disassembled each time you launch.

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Actually, trying to find a small cat that is suitable for day sailing with 6-7 people, and still has a cabin with a head and a galley, is probably tougher than finding a C24 or similar model is. The other problem is that the majority of the small cats—<30' are home-builts, and as such have generally a lot more serious problems in their construction.

My boat has folding amas, and it takes all of two minutes to deploy them when we go out to sail...five minutes if I am single handing the boat.

The only small cats that I can think of that were production cats were the Heavenly Twins at 26' and the Catalac 8M, also about 26'. IIRC, the Iroquois and other production cats were 30'+.

Finally, trailering a catamaran is much more difficult than trailering a folding sport trimaran. The ability to keep the boat on a trailer will help keep his recurring costs down.

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Actually, trying to find a small cat that is suitable for day sailing with 6-7 people, and still has a cabin with a head and a galley, is probably tougher than finding a C24 or similar model is. The other problem is that the majority of the small cats—<30' are home-builts, and as such have generally a lot more serious problems in their construction.

My boat has folding amas, and it takes all of two minutes to deploy them when we go out to sail...five minutes if I am single handing the boat.

The only small cats that I can think of that were production cats were the Heavenly Twins at 26' and the Catalac 8M, also about 26'. IIRC, the Iroquois and other production cats were 30'+.

Finally, trailering a catamaran is much more difficult than trailering a folding sport trimaran. The ability to keep the boat on a trailer will help keep his recurring costs down.
Your not going to find a cat under $20,000 with a galley that is worth buying. As to the head, define inclosed. Small multihulls are day sailers, that can be camped on. The cats can carry more wieght but saildog is right when he says "their harder to trailer". But their still faster then monohulls. Plus, monohulls that have galleys, inclosed heads and sleeping acomadations get just as pricy. All the production cats in this range are usually overloaded. Bridge decks on small cats are to much weight. You should buy the boat that you will use regularly. This means, don't worry about six people day triping with you. When this becomes a real concern, you can either rent a larger boat, or take them out in shifts. Also, A trimaran sails like a dog when overloaded, but it will still sail.

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Needs to be trailerable, would like a cockpit that can seat 4.
25% of the time will be just me on daysail
50% of the time will be 2 adults and 1 or 2 kids for dailsail/ weekender. dont mind camping ashore. but would like the option of staying on the boat. (kids are 7 mo. and 2yr. old)
10% of the time 4 adults and same two kids.
15% of the time 2-4 adults
3 times a year, once at bolivar, and at two different lakes 4 adults, three children (7mo. 2yr. 5yr.)

The reason i think a cockpit would be better is due to the children.
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That basically leaves you with the smaller sport trimarans as an option... and none that would be worth buying are going to be in your price range. A Farrier Tramp/Eagle would probably be a good choice, if you can find one for sale... they're not that common in the US and few owners are ever willing to sell. They have a larger cockpit than the C24, since they're really designed as a daysailer, rather than a racer/cruiser.

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Are there any other tri's out there similar to Farrier Tramp/Eagle? Trailerable with large cockpit? I have only seen one for sale over the last month. Do you know of a good place to look for them besides YachtWorld?
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There weren't a lot of Farrier Tramp/Eagles brought into this country or made here... Most were made in Australia IIRC. They've got a very loyal following, and don't get sold very often. I know a guy down in the Tidewater VA area that has one and you'd have to buy it over his dead body from the way he talks about it... and most of the other Tramp owners are pretty much the same. Nothing similar has been made, and its in a weird little niche.

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I am now thinking about buying something cheap, 2-3k like a catamaran or monohull and waiting 2 years or so for F-22 to come out on market. The Cuddy Cabin version sounds perfect for what i am looking for.

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