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I never thought about steering with my "arse". That wins me over! I'm sure I will get comfortable with the tiller. I've always had a wheel on bigger boats so the tiller just seems backwards, but the J100(just under 33 ft) I'm looking at will surely work out fine.
OK, your knees, then, if you're squeamish or an Olestra consumer.

If it's a J/100, I would very much recommend the tiller as it gets your weight out of the stern and allows you to climb the coamings to trim and see forward with a golf-club shaft-sized tiller extender. (I actually made a great carbon fibre one from a busted golf club...)

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"What you do with your tiller is your business. Just don't hurt yourself."
...or the hamster!
The Rear Admiral is the butt of many jokes.
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Not to mention the stern expression.
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Actually, the "system" I like the best is about extinct: a small wheel mounted "backwards" where the helmsman is forward of the pedestal/binnacle.

Like this, only smaller in most old boats:

There is a boat in the slip next to ours, I think it's an Island Packet (?), that has a similar setup. Wheel's much smaller and nearly at the back of the cockpit, but much the same concept. Looks intriguing. It'd be interesting to feel what sailing that would be like.

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I simply used a piece of White Electrical tape to show dead ahead.
The white tape doesn't look too bad on the black leather wheel.

Also, our Auto pilot indicates rudder angle.
But it is a lot harder to read.

I do want to replace the tape with a turk's head.
Hey dog, can you come to Michigan and tie a Turk's head on my helm.
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I had a boat with a tiller for over 20 years. Now I have a CSY33 with a wheel. I wish it had a tiller! I miss the feel of the tiller, the pressure of the water against the rudder. But I also miss being able to slide up under the dodger while steering. With a long tiller, and reaching slightly back, I was well protected from sun, spray, rain. But with the wheel, I am stuck at the very back of the cockpit exposed to everything. I can have a dodger made with a long bimini addition perhaps. But it will not be as neat, nor as effective.

I also wish I could change the way the wheel works. I'd like to spin the wheel in the direction I want the stern to move, the same way a tiller works. After two and a half decades, that's the way my brain thinks. I can consciously override that. But when I am tired, I slip back.
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I also wish I could change the way the wheel works. I'd like to spin the wheel in the direction I want the stern to move, the same way a tiller works. After two and a half decades, that's the way my brain thinks. I can consciously override that. But when I am tired, I slip back.
I think Giu started a thread on this, we had alot of fun with it

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The funny thing is that Giulietta is one of the few 40 footers I can think of that could be run with a long tiller. I enjoyed the "big wheels", but it's a light-enough boat to have a tiller without getting overwhelmed by the rudder pressure.

The cockpit and mainsheet as designed, however, are strictly wheel-friendly.

Here's another big tiller boat, an Open 60 doing a rollover test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIplsOf_DBQ

I saw this boat last week at a local club. It is phenomenally large (about a 20 foot beam at the stern) and the thought of one man helming it in the Southern Ocean is among the most impressive things I can imagine.
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IMHO, the size of the boat isn't so important to whether a tiller can be used as the design is. A properly designed boat, that is well-shaped and balanced can generally be steered with a tiller.
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Almost all ships were steered with tiller or whipstaff until the 1720s, including some very large warships. Many of the Open 60s are steered by four metre tillers as well. Leverage: you can't beat it.
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