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Thanks SD - eyes of the beholder, just as well. She sold me when I first set eyes upon her . . . actually knocked me off my feet!
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This corbin boat looks interesting I have never heard of them.

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Might be a bad link . . . but I agree, nice motorsailer,

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TG - I too had been searching for the perfect Pacific NW pilothouse sailboat (I live on San Juan Island). Though I was leaning more towards more traditional sailing boats with pilothouses, the Nauticats have always interested me. Even though I just purchased two months ago a North Sea 33 pilothouse cutter (built by Ta Chiao in 1978), the mid-80s Nauticat 33s are still a boat I would like to have. My budget, however, was about 15% of what yours is, and I am very pleased with our new boat.

Anyway, throughout my search I had narrowed the list of potential boats to the following:

Cooper 416. Though it is an aft cockpit, this 41 footer has an aft stateroom (basically a large enclosed quarter berth area). The boat was designed by Stan Huntingford and built in Canada. I came across a couple in Tonga that had sailed their 416 from Berkely, CA. They loved it. The 416 has inside steering, but it is not a "motorsailer". They are sailboats with large fin keels that just happen to have pilothouses with an inside helm.

The Corbin 39s were also at the top of my wish list. Do a little research on these boats and you will find they were designed and built to sail the oceans safely and comfortably. It is a performance oriented, canoe stern cruising sailboat with a low profile pilothouse. Many were owner finished interiors, so consequently there are some that do not have an inside helm.

Spindrift 43s were designed by Ron Amy and from what I gather were based on a Wm. Garden design. Also an aft cockpit canoe stern, these are heavier cruising boats with a nice layout. A very similar boat and layout, built by a different yard, was the Landfall 39. My understanding is the Spindrift version is better in build quality, and that seems to be reflected in typical asking prices. Probably less performance oreiented than the previous boats, I'd say the Spindrift 43 would provide the most "liveaboard" comfort and would be on a par with the Nauticat 38 in that regard, though the sailing performance is going to be slightly better. The Nauticats will have the edge in motoring capabilities, though, and as you know up in this neck of the woods, we do that more than we would like in the summer months.

Sceptre 41/43s - if I'm not mistaken - are still being built? Anyway, they will be at the high end of your budget. I was on one at the Seattle Boats Afloat show a few years ago and was quite impressed. Has everything you are looking for, with luxurious accommodations in a performance package. I don't know a lot about them, but I think they are built in Canada. Good looking boat, too.

Anyway, good luck in your search. Keep us posted on what you learn/discover.
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Corbins were built in Quebec - I believe the late seventies and early to mid eighties, but I may be a bit off. The majority of the boats were sold as hull and decks, with the interior being fitted out by owner. Some were factory completed however, and these tend to sell for considerabl ore than some of the owner-builds.

Their claim to fame was an incredibly strong hull. IIRC it was cored, so again, proper maintenance would be an issue with the boats, but if you can find a good one, they are extremely capable cruising boats. I think most of them were center cockpit, with an aft cockpit being offered as an option later in the production run (but I might have that backwards)...
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How about a Fisher 37? Great, solid boats and well in your range for a used one.
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I clocked 6.8 kts today in 18 kts true wind (mizzen, main & 150 Genoa) . . . a slug by your standards SD - not going to debate that. Giu would also have a laugh over that claim - with his 44 reaching 12.5 kts.

We're not comparing apples to apples.
Giulietta's a 40 footer...12 metres on the nose. About 12 metres on the waterline, too! It's a fast boat, and it can do 10 knots in about 14 knots apparent, which is the highest wind speed I saw in Portugal (except for the high teens...briefly...going around the corner). As I have a 10 metre racer-cruiser ancestral to it, plus the equivalent of a 40-foot Nauticat as a cruiser, it presented a real study in contrasts.

It's a racer with cruising elements to it, rather than a really fast cruising racer. Open an access hatch and the plastic fitting and translucent hull underline that fairly strongly...it's a pretty light boat. Think of a J-Boat crossed with a Mumm 30, with a nice inheritance from Grandfather Open 60 and a Laser 28 as a kid brother. I have to say that while I didn't get the opportunity to see it pushed around in any sense, I did have the opportunity to play with it alone in light air and moderate, 3 metre swells, and it's a pretty well-behaved boat, quite easy to sail and trim. That's in part to a very cleanly organized set of control lines, the names of which I couldn't master in Portuguese.

Just don't add four free feet to Alex's already high opinion about her!
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Might be a bad link . . . but I agree, nice motorsailer,

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Corbin 39s are really nice, and have a small but very dedicated following here in Canada. You could do a lot worse than a well-kept Corbin...they still command a bit of a premium. I also like Finnsailer 37s and Alfas.
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I too am in the PNW and have been looking for that perfect PH Cruiser. Don't forget to add Gulf 28s and 32s to your list. A lot of boat for the money.

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Hi TOMINDCE!

Thank you for your response. I must admit I really hadn't considered a cat before. I did some quick research and the Gemini is a highly thought of boat. My wife and I will definitely take a look! We're trying to keep an open mind to all possibilities!

Thanks again!

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Dear TartanGreek,

From what I hear, Nauticat’s are fine, somewhat overbuilt boats (part of the reason they cost so much). Great in a North Sea blow. Most folks buy them for the creature comfort or sailing in chilly regions. I highly recommend that you bareboat charter one before buying to judge the sailing for yourself. All boats are a compromise –the trick is getting the most of what you want with the least that you do not want.

Another type boat altogether that has good creature comfort and protection from weather is a catamaran? Because they sail on the water rather than in it, you have a boat that passes everything in light wind while barely heeling in a gale (assuming centerboards are not fully down). In June, after about 18 months of research, we took delivery of a Gemini 105MC made here in Annapolis. We had a 7.5m Tanzer before buying KatMan2. The Gemini is quite a lot of boat for $200K. The bare minimum boat is under 150K, but if you add heat and air, beef up the electrical, add a screacher rig (a must have), add davits, solar panels, radar, etc. you are right at about 200K. Gemini’s will sleep 8 in a pinch, but it is really a boat for 2 with occasional guests. Full kitchen, toilet and shower. Queen bed for master cabin forward amidships – very comfy. Fit and interior finnish are not Finnish, but a new one is half the cost of an NC too.

You get more usable living space below and above decks on a cat than on a mono of similar length. With a 14 ft beam and 34 ft LOA, we have no problems berthing in a standard 40ft slip (which you need with a dinghy on the davits). Drawing 18 inches, we can anchor in the shallows, beach even, and gunkhole far up river. The drive leg lifts out of the water, for less drag and no stray electrical current eating at your metal bits in port. We have only been to 8kts so far. That was in 16-19 kts of wind. Last weekend we did 6.8 in only 11-13kts of wind.

Since you are interested in a motorsailing, one can mind the helm of a Gemini underway from inside using a Raymarine remote for the autopilot. I have been out with 10 adults on the boat and nobody felt crowded. You might check them out at Performance Cruising's website. There are over 1,000 Gems afloat (ours is #992). We have a Yahoo group too called Gemini_Cats.

Good luck with your search for the perfect yacht.

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