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If HR is the Mercedes of boats, than Catalina is the Bentley!!!
I nearly spilled my cup of tea when I saw that!
it was supposed to be humorous, right?
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I nearly spilled my cup of tea when I saw that!
it was supposed to be humorous, right?
WATCH IT ALEX... I have your picture and will not hesitate to photoshop it!!!! HAHA!

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The thing that totally blows my mind about Hallberg Rassy, is that it appears that they actually appreciate. One of thier adds alluded to this "the chance for true appreciation" something like that.

Look at HR 43.. In 2003 it was CW boat of the year under $400k.. The sail away price was $380k IIRC (I read the issue recently).

There are two 2003 HR 43s, and two 2004 HR 43s on YW right now..

$515k, $575k, $686k, $714k

Just totally nuts. Maybe this can be attributed to the decline in US dollars and increase in oil prices since 2003. Indeed other 2003 european import boats are high relative to their price in 2003. Much older HRs have eventually gone down.

With their marquee though and build quality, of any boat it seems you could expect to get much of your initial purchase back, it not also the upgrades.
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WATCH IT ALEX... I have your picture and will not hesitate to photoshop it!!!! HAHA!

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oops!
but if you do photoshop me, i need to look thinner, have a little more hair and maybe a touch taller, lol
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On price...that is entirely due to the Euro ...in 2003 it was around 90c and now it is $1.40...that same 400k price is 622k today just adjusting for currency. Not a good time to buy Euro boats...but a good time to own one!! I expect Catalinas are looking pretty attractive over there. (g)
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I loved th tri maran joke...SD they got you didn't they???

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Here's one I will never forget...what do you think DAME Ellen says now???

ahahahahahaha

Tsteele.....you Sir (yes you're a Sir in my book now) are indeed my favorite here until someone comes with a better one........I humbly bow in front of you!!!
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I told the wife that I'd almost buy the HR53 now and then decide later if I actually want to keep it.. we'd be able to sell it back for the same price, if not more, than we paid. From what I understand, the reason there are so few euro boats on the market in the US is that Euro buyers are coming to the US to save a lot of money due to the weak dollar.

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I visited the HR factory twice before taking delivery of my HR40. The facility and work ethic are outstanding. I spent three weeks in Ellös before my Sweden-Annapolis shakedown cruise.

In addition to my own boat, I have sailed 36, 37, 43, 48, and 53 HRs. They are great boats, and factory support is very good. There is not a huge support base in the US, but enthusiastic owners in the US and Vickie Vance at HR Parts ( www.hr-parts.com ) in Sweden make things easy. See www.hrowners.net for the not terribly active US owners group and the UK group on http://www.hroa.co.uk/forum/ . There is also a very active HR_Users_Group on Yahoo.

Like every boat there are some idiosyncrasies to be aware of. None are significant, but they are worth hearing about so you don't have to learn them on your own.

The aft cabin is a great place to rest. The weather had to be pretty bad crossing the Atlantic before I moved midships. It's wonderful at anchor. The separation of the forward and aft cabin makes sailing with guests very nice. The salon of every HR I have been on is a comfortable and gracious place to entertain or just kick back and watch a movie.

The systems are reliable and well thought out.

I sail mine singlehanded very often without any issues.

Good luck with your choice.
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Great comments and highly appreciated!

If anyone wants to see some video from the boat we looked at... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c6jxUf73Z8

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During the time I spent sailing the Med, the HRs were plentiful there and were amoung the boats we most admired and envied. And that was before German Frers got involved with the designs, which have only improved since.

One anecdote I will pass along concerns a problem with the cockpit windshield on a fairly late model HR. I read an account by an owner that described the boat taking a large wave that struck the windshield, which subsequently shattered. Not into bits and chunks of safety glass, but into lethal shards. It left him in a real bind in heavy weather, as he was not able to tend the sheets because the lines were blanketed in razor sharp glass shards.

With their reputation for quality, I imagine that HR would have remedied that issue by now, but it would be worth inquiring about, especially if you are considering a used model.
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