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Gonesailing - here's a suggestion that might be helpful for your "years with purpose." Contact the crewed charter boats in the Caribbean and talk yourself on board as crew. You may have to do it for low pay, but you'll get room/board/boathandling/on-the-water experience etc. I did this for a couple of years and it was invaluable as a learning tool (learned celestial as well.) Of course there were some awful people and a couple of lousy berths, but there was always a glass of rum somewhere nearby.
What I typed was "even if today was the first time I had seen water" .
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Caliber Yachts...

http://www.caliberyacht.com/Download...Spec_Sheet.pdf
http://www.caliberyacht.com/index.htm

With just a little over 5' draft and compiled with their others features, Caliber Yachts would be worth looking into
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Ok, so "Gonesailing" wants to know some rudimentary information. Instead of verbal abuse, lets look at the question. As a follow-up, what areas do you want to visit? If you have some specific areas in mind, get ahold of nav. charts for the areas. The mean low water levels will dictate where you want to be with regard to draft.

In discussing depth, there are plenty of boats from 30 - 40 feet that (with full keel) would be great offshore boats with 5' draft. 4' is the draft of my Cal 25. I sail the Chesapeake Bay. I've only gone aground once,and that was my own fault for not heeding the depth alarm.

There are plenty of offshore sailors who are perfectly happy with a draft of up to 6 feet.

I think the best bet is to define your scope (where do you want to go) and decide on a draft based on the number of anchorages you can visit. The overall length of the boat can come later.

Regarding seaworthiness, there are several other factors besides keel depth that lead to overall seakindliness/seaworthiness. Look at the boats that have survived it all, like the Westsail 32, Cal 40, Outbound 40 - 44, etc. Things to consider are small self bailing cockpit, small, heavy port/deadlights, bridge deck and small main hatch, sealable dorade vents, sound rudder (attached to a skeg or to the keel). Hull shape that is unstable when the boat is turned "turtle" so she'll right herself, lazarettes that are structurally sealed off from the rest of the boat, heavy through hull fittings with ball valves, heavy hull construction ie: solid glass cloth instead of chop strand matting or "cored" glass hulls. Also, a keel stepped mast, double lower shrouds, multiple bulkheads to prevent oilcanning or twisting of the hull in heavy seas, etc. Of course, these are just my opinions. Every boat has it's own merits. Heck, in 1968 there was a kid (Robin Graham) who sailed a lapworth 24 around the world. Another cruising couple sailed a Cal 25 (like mine) around the world and had 2 or 3 kids along the way. Of course, I'm not recommending this, just commenting that seaworthiness is as much attributed to good planning and heeding weather forecasts/sea states as it is to a solid boat.

There are several good books on picking an offshore boat. One of which (If I can remember the name) is something like "The Seaworthy Offshore Sailboat."

Just remember, there is no such thing as a dumb question. Even the most elementary question leads to others. Isn't this how we build knowledge?

Finally, there are offshore sailing schools, where you learn the basics of navigation, routine maintenance, and successful passagemaking. I believe Annapolis Sailing School has a location in the BVI.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks for not attacking my simple question.

Robin Graham did not make it around the world in a 24' lapworth he finished his voyage in a 33' Allied Luders.

There is no such thing as a dumb question but as many of your fellow members continue to prove there is an endless supply of dumb answers.
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hey gonzo just keep reading all of sailnet there r some reel sailors on this board...a 2 year quest on this site will allow u to learn all u can without any cash outlay on the wrong barge...pay particular heed to jeefh he the man .......rayder
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I agree with my friend Giu on this.

If you really want to go circle the globs, go for it. But there are a LOT of issues in doing so. First, most solid passagemaking boats that are cabable of doing that are quite expensive. You can get cheaper ones (around 100k or so), but they will very likely need a lot of refitting to the tune of tens of thousands. You can basically forget taking out a loan for the boat. Cash only... since you will need insurance and it is very hard for lifetime sailors to get insurance to circum. Newbies can just about forget it. No insurance=no boat loan.

Also, the type of boat that is req for crossing the pond is traditionally not as wide and comfortable as a boat that is intended to cruise these waters of N/S America.

THere is more to see here than you can see in a lifetime. I am not trying to dissuade your dream, but I am giving some realistic advice... and this only is the tip of the iceberg.

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What do you sail? I see it says Catalina 400 technical something at the end of your post. Is that what you sail? Cause if thats what you chose to spend all that money on, then you can not possibly know much about passage making.
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Here we go again . . . a poster who only wants answers he likes to hear, all others are "dumb answers".

In contrast to his sometimes condescending style, Giulietta is perhaps the most knowledgable sailor on these forums. He was sincerely offering his POV based upon your extremely non-specific question. IMHO, calling anyone's response dumb will certainly earn you no respect.
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Gonesailin...I regret that is the way you chose to take the posts that were written.

from you will get nothing else more. Good luck
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I would like to thank you all. I have read your board on and off for a few months then decided to join. If possible to cancel my account please do so. I have read many a condescending answer to many peoples question and I do not fit here. Also my current boat is "Just Drifting II" My next boat will be "Just Drifting III" If any of you condesending middle aged EDITED BY CD - NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. see me, come on over and say hi.
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You don't understand two things -
1. without exception everyone gave you good advice, and
2. there are an endless myriad of people who come here asking how to saill around the world who obviously have no clue what it involves.

Your original post clearly IMPLIED lack of knowledge - we simply responded accordingly.

Have a great trip when you do go
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What do you sail? I see it says Catalina 400 technical something at the end of your post. Is that what you sail? Cause if thats what you chose to spend all that money on, then you can not possibly know much about passage making.
Hmm, if you are interested in my offshore experience, I will be happy to point you to the many threads here, cruisers forum, or you can read Mainsheet which is the Catalina Owners Publication.

By reading your first post, which did not have a lot of information in it, I was under the assumption that you did not know much about sailing. That is why I posted what I did. I believe Giu was under the same impression... as were other members. As such, we responded the way that we did. It was a nice response to the information provided. It was not meant to be condescending. The only person doing the attacking here is you. You could have simply said that you did have sailing experience, where you wanted to go, a little background, etc... and it would go a LONG WAY to helping us give you good information back.

You are welcome to stick around, or you can go. But if you stick around you can be a lot more friendly, period.

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