Looking for a bit of advice - Page 2 - SailNet Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 48 Old 12-30-2007
Wish I never found SN!
 
SimonV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 2,061
Thanks: 8
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
For me the Bene is the pick of the four.The catalina is nice but for the money look a bit bigger.

Simon
Ericson 39B.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I love my boat
S/V GOODONYA
Brisbane
present location Heading to the Whitsundays

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

DELIVERY SKIPPER
Drinking Rum before 10am makes you a Pirate NOT an alcohlic
SimonV is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 48 Old 12-30-2007
Senior Member
 
Valiente's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 5,491
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 11
   
Go for the Grampian 30. It's solid and forgiving and you have room to stow stuff if you want to summer aboard, but it's small enough that a small propane heater would make the boat toasty. Don't worry about the Atomic 4...it's a reliable engine that makes way more sense than a diesel in short-haul, in and out of the marina situations. Just get a gas/propane sniffer and run the blower EVERY time prior to start up.

I'm not sure why your prices are in U.S. dollars as the Canadian dollar is currently $1.02 U.S.. If you are considering buying U.S. boats, be aware that there may be customs or other duties involved in importation to Canada, like with older, French-built Beneteaus.

Lakes Ontario and Erie have literally dozens of 27-32 footers for sale over each winter, and sailing them back to Montreal is a snap. Check out www.boatforsale.org
Valiente is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #13 of 48 Old 12-30-2007
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,394
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 12
     
this part of the op's post I felt was important....

"I'm not looking for something seaworthy enough to cross oceans in (yet ) but if one day I wanted to hop over to the Bahamas etc, it would be nice to know that I could without having to get another boat. (with the right weather window, and a lot more experience then I have now of course )
"

Of the tubs you're looking at (for the above), the grampian and bene would be more suitable... but, I'll bet by the time you want to do the bahamas thing, you'll be looking for a bigger hole to throw money into anyway, so, given that, I'd go with the catalina.
but hey, thats just me

We are not primarily on earth to see through one another, but to see one another through

Some people are like slinkies: not really good for anything... but you can't help laughing when you push them down the stairs
cardiacpaul is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #14 of 48 Old 12-30-2007 Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 28
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Talking thanks!

Thanks everyone

I've pretty much crossed the ketch off my list, I've also bumped the Catalina from 3rd place to a tie for first with the Grampian. I suppose my preferences will change after I see the boats though. The listings some of you supplied are also worth looking at. I'm going to look into the ones I posted first though as they're a LOT closer to me then others. They're only about 100 miles away and all 3 are in the same area (roughly) so I could conceivably go see all 3 in the same day. I'd have tried to go today but I'm on call for my work (IT Administrator) starting a 5pm Oh well Next weekend perhaps if I can arrange it with the broker. I'll take lots of pictures and let you guys know how it went.

Some other questions that one of you raised relates to taxes, duties and such. I'm assuming I'll have to pay sales tax wherever I register it, however is registering it in the US possible? The thinking behind that would be that I'd avoid any "importation" issues and costs. I'm not really sure how all the "paperwork" is going to happen, though I guess that the broker would have more information? He's close enough to Canada that he must have had a few Canadian buyers before. Does anyone know where to find the sales tax rates in the US? I did a quick search on Google but didn't turn up anything. Also, could I declare it as a residence to save anything? I've seen a few people say that they declared their boat as a second home in order to save on taxes or something. Does that still work if you don't own a home? I realize the taxes on such a "cheap" boat wont be THAT much, (nothing compared to say a $200,000 boat) but hey, if all it takes is a few minutes filling out a form to save a grand or two, then why not.

Thanks again!
mxtommy is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #15 of 48 Old 12-30-2007
Helms ALee!
 
tenuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Pacific Northwest, USA
Posts: 1,245
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
I would go for the catalina 27 or the Grampian.

Outboards are my personal preference - they are cheaper, easy to maintain, and if it goes kaput you just yank it to fix.

Sounds like you have thought this out well and are a smart young man. Good luck and I would second the advice 'never buy a boat you don't love.'

Also, don't worry about getting a boat for some future ocean plans. Get a boat for you now. If you decide later to go ocean cruising, well, sell it and get a new one with all your recently gained experience.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
member

Last edited by tenuki; 12-30-2007 at 12:15 PM.
tenuki is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #16 of 48 Old 12-30-2007
Just another Moderator
 
Faster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Westminster, BC
Posts: 16,534
Thanks: 104
Thanked 310 Times in 300 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
I don't think you could register the boat in the US and keep it in Canada (not as a Canadian citizen). Bringing it into the country would be deemed importing.

If you buy a North American built boat then there is no duty, you just pay the taxes that are applicable. It's a simple process. Certainly a better climate these days for buying a boat in the US given the relative dollar values now! I'm envious (we bought in the US with a $.75 dollar a few years ago... still got a decent deal, but now...)

I'm sure it varies state-to-state, but I seem to recall some issues with non residents (ie Canadians) keeping Wash.. registered boats in Wash. state.
Faster is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #17 of 48 Old 12-30-2007
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 14
         
Also, if you're really planning on taking it to the islands at some point... although it is more likely that you will have upgraded to a different, larger boat by then... you need to have it federally registered or documented. You can't USCG document the boat in the USA unless you are a US citizen. So, your best bet would be to register it in Canada.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #18 of 48 Old 12-30-2007
Senior Member
 
Freesail99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,507
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Send a message via Yahoo to Freesail99
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingdog View Post
Also, if you're really planning on taking it to the islands at some point... although it is more likely that you will have upgraded to a different, larger boat by then... you need to have it federally registered or documented. You can't USCG document the boat in the USA unless you are a US citizen. So, your best bet would be to register it in Canada.
I know at least 3 people who cruise the Islands with a state registered boat. A USCG documented boat is nice but far from required.

S/V Scheherazade
-----------------------
I had a dream, I was sailing, I was happy, I was even smiling. Then I looked down and saw that I was on a multi-hull and woke up suddenly in a cold sweat.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Freesail99 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #19 of 48 Old 12-30-2007
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 14
         
Freesail—

Yes, but I doubt any of those three are Canadian Citizens... sailing on a US state registered boat... Think about it... the paperwork hassles would be ridiculous... given the fact that he's Canadian. You really need to consider the situation as a whole before giving advice. I'm pretty sure that a Canadian, sailing a US state-registered boat would have significantly more trouble with foreign paperwork and customs than a US Citizen sailing a US state-registered boat.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freesail99 View Post
I know at least 3 people who cruise the Islands with a state registered boat. A USCG documented boat is nice but far from required.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.

Last edited by sailingdog; 12-30-2007 at 11:19 PM.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #20 of 48 Old 12-30-2007
capt'n
 
sandsailor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 99
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
i've got a santana 27

no frills below deck but very similar to the catalina in build very well built very forgiving and a very competitive boat to race.
it'll handle anything you throw at it and its legally trailer able(barely).
i would say take it out and see what you think its not a bad price and theres lots of room to grow into but small enough to single hand.
if later you decide other wise resale is good (JMO).


PS if i trade mine out it'll be at least a 45' live aboard

Sand Sailor
sandsailor is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Intro and Advice Sought Tntonboard Cruising & Liveaboard Forum 30 03-23-2007 04:49 PM
Newbie Looking for fiberglass advice natew Gear & Maintenance 20 06-20-2006 06:59 PM
Advice on a new 30-34ft boat jwall Boat Review and Purchase Forum 6 04-21-2004 05:13 PM
Begginner sailor, looking for advice on purchasing boat Jhooley Boat Review and Purchase Forum 8 03-21-2004 05:04 PM
Thanks for the advice bidet Boat Review and Purchase Forum 0 11-29-2003 06:01 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome