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Two steps forward, one step back

First, Happy New Year and Thanks to all for the previous info you've offered. Sailnet is a goldmine and I plan to pick it clean in the process of buying my first 'big boat' - you guys are fantastic!

New tack here (pun intended)....yes, I'm leaning towards an older Catalina 34 or 36 with a budget of $50,000 to $60,000 - but, I don't want to get tunnel vision early in the process, so........

Would everyone please step up to the plate and recommend several alternative models that wll meet or beat the Catalina options for my intended purpose.

ROE: Keep within my budget and understand the type of sailing planned is southern California coastal, Cabo to Montery and marina live aboard (mostly alone) for 3-4 days each month. Estimate half the time singlehanding and rarely more than 4 or 5 onboard for a week coastal cruise.

I prefer to stay in the 34' to 36' range but could be persuaded plus/minus 2' to 4', but it would be a tough sale.

Toss out all your good boat ideas as I'd like to avoid buying something and then 'in walks her sister' after the sale. 'Coulda' shoulda' woulda'.

Thanks in advance!!!
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Clarification - although my budget is $50 - $60K, any suitable boat for less would also be fine.
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older Sabre 36 or 38 would be ideal, great quality boat in your $$range

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Hi Mike, Prost NeuJahr to you as well!

That seems to be a pretty realistic price range with lots of boats available; but you didn't state your intended purpose.

After seeing SD's post below; Severely edited for NOT FULLY READING THE ORIGINAL POST!!!!! Duh!

I've been looking a a LOT of boats in that size/price range, for example ....

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...eestateyachts&

Good luck with your search; we'll surely be able to help; probably TOO much, ;-)
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The problem with most of the boats you're going to find is that something in the 34-36' range is going to be a bit tight for four or five people aboard for a week, but anything that would be comfortable for five people for a week is probably going to be much bigger and more expensive than you would want. As my friend says about his C&C 38... Sails 6, feeds 4, sleeps 2. And for anything over an extended weekend, he's right.

The best boat buying advice I was given is that the "Primary use of a boat is Primary." If you want a boat that you can single-hand and liveaboard... and that is your primary use....get one that you will be comfortable single handing, that is large enough to live aboard.... and if it is tight with five people aboard for a week... learn to live with it.

I'd also recommend that you reserve about 15-20% of your actual boat buying budget for refitting, repairing, modifying and upgrading whatever boat you end up getting. Boats are not like cars—they're not ready to go out of the box most of the time. Generally, you'll find that you may want to change the way the running rigging is setup, or the way the genoa fairleads work—like going from a pin stop to a line-controlled genoa fairlead—to get the boat to work the way you want it to.

Given the type of sailing and other requirements you have, there are a lot of boats out there that could do what you need. Catalinas, Beneteaus, Jeanneaus, Tartan 34C, Hunter 37 Cherubini, various C&Cs, Endeavors, Ericsons, O'Days, and Pearsons... would all work for you. What you probably need to do is sail on a few boats and narrow the field down as to what else you're looking for in a boat.

For instance, do you want three cabins?? This would afford your guests when on the week-long sails a bit more privacy, although the individual cabins would be a bit smaller in size. Do you want a boat with a separate shower?? This is rather uncommon on boats smaller than 40' from what I've seen. Do you want two heads?

A few things I'd recommend, since you're planning on living aboard part-time. Look for a boat with a 12 VDC refrigeration system. Engine run refrigeration is a pain for a liveaboard. Get a boat with a decent electrical system that includes a decent size house bank as well as a good inverter charger. Check to see if you'll fit in the berths as well as for standing room in the cabin.

Since you'll be taking week-long cruises... check for a good ground tackle system... you'll need it unless you're planning on marina hopping. Even then, a good ground tackle system is cheap insurance... You never know when you'll be caught out by bad weather, and having a good anchor to hold you in place is always a good thing.

Personally, since this is primarily for you to single-hand and liveaboard, I'd recommend you look for something in the 32-34' range, rather than anything larger... the larger the boat you get, the more expensive it will be to own, since the mooring/dock fees, haulout fees, and many of your maintenance costs go up with the length of the boat. Also, the equipment gets more expensive as you go up in size. Another reason to go and focus on the smaller boats, is that you're likely to be able to afford a newer one or one that is in better shape or better equipped, than you would if you went with a larger boat—in the short run this can save you a fair bit of money in terms of needed repairs and upgrades.
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Saber 36 - Though they tend to be over $60k here on the right coast
Tartan 37 - Older design and cored hull
Tartan 34 - Newer design but not as roomy as the Catalina
Pretorian 35 - Just looked at one today Very nice boat, but smallish saloon and no opening ports.
Niagra 35
Ericson 35 and 38
C&C 35
CS 36 Tradtional
Pearson 36
Landfall 38
Oday 40

There are a bunch of Hunters that would probably fit the bill though I believe the Catalina is a better boat. Also there are several Beneteau models that would be similar to a Catalina 34.

What you are getting into is the Older bigger/"better built" vs. Newer "big 3" boat dilemma that I'm in. I hope you don't obsess over it like I have.
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Hi Mike, Prost NeuJahr to you as well!

That seems to be a pretty realistic price range with lots of boats available; but you didn't state your intended purpose.

After seeing SD's post below; Severely edited for NOT FULLY READING THE ORIGINAL POST!!!!! Duh!

I've been looking a a LOT of boats in that size/price range, for example ....

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...eestateyachts&

Good luck with your search; we'll surely be able to help; probably TOO much, ;-)
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Good advice is allocating 15-20% for upgrades and repairs.

We have a C&C 35 MKIII. Fits your bill in many ways. Keel/ centerboard give it great flexibily in where you can take it as well as handling ability to windward when the wind pipes up. Its considered a racer/ cruiser. Quick for a pocket cruiser. Comfortable for a racer. Well constructed, solid laminate...and thick gelcoating with good substructure. Usually caries oversized winches, trachs, blocks on most models. Good steerage, ground and tackle system, cockpit drainage. Large refrigeration, large multifunctional salon . Disadvantages: engine shoehorned in, need to add additional tankage (there is space for it). Large V berth- quarterberth, salon can be configured for more, but only sleeps 2..**:**). Head/ shower combo can be cramped. Many boats fit your bill and are good choices. We choose this as it was comfortable cruising, could handle the ocean (comfortable safe platform) , was built with good materials and workmanship, and was also quick in club and Wed night racing. I like the older C&C's (70/80 early 90). Do not care for the direction they have gone since then.

We am looking to step up to mid 40's for longer cruising adventures and are looking at Passports, Sagas, Tayanas, Halberg Rassys, Brewer, possibly Hans Christian Christina.
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You guys are the best, but 'too miny martonis' to digest all the ideas tonight. Keep 'em coming and I'll process this all over the next few weeks. Can't thank you enough!
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