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Johnny... Gtod is right AND wrong. Most islands will let you in with just state registration BUT many of their RULES require documentation...so you always are taking a chance on the customs guy being nice to you. French Islands will never let you in! In any case...you NEED Aussie documentation to get through the canal and through the pacific.

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camaraderie,yes i will rego in australia but not right now, thanks for the info.johnny
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One thing that Gtod has missed is that you may have a problem with a US-State-Registered boat, since you are not a US citizen or resident. That may be a complication that Gtod doesn't have, depending on whether he is a US resident or citizen. Titling the boat in Australia would be far safer and probably cause you far fewer problems abroad.

IIRC, a US-State-registered boat isn't allowed to fly the US flag as an ensign in foreign waters, since it technically isn't a US-flagged vessel.

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I was not a US citizen or resident for the 4 years I cruised the Caribbean in a USVI registered boat, flying the US Flag. With the exception of minor hassle in the French Islands I never encountered any problems. But seeing you have 17,700 more posts that me, I am not going to argue with you.
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I'm betting that the USCG and ICE may have gotten a bit more restrictive about entering and exiting the US since 9/11.

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Gtog25,did you buy your yacht in the USA or the USVI,thanks for your input.
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sailingdog,yes its pain in the ass,but it might be easer to rego her here in nyc,as my girl and myself live in nyc,and then i will deal with the rego in australia when i will have the boat in the islands on a permanent bases.
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Actually bought it in the BVI's......

but it was previously a US documented vessel. Don't let people confuse you on three separate issues.

Foreign nationals entering the US on a sailboat = PITA = need visa = hassle.

US State Registered vessel entering/leaving US = boat tax is a State issue = ICE has no interest, unless they are really having a bad hair day.

Ref flying a US flag on a state registered vessel in international water = who is going to stop you?? I met the USCG once in 7 years in the Caribbean (ending 2006).

Your only major issue will be the Tax in the state you are living in. You may be well advised to pay this, as tax evasion and work permits are possibly a bad mix.

Tooling around in a boat with a big "Skippy" flag at the back end will certainly attract unnecessary attention.



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gtog25,would that be skippy the kangaroo.yes, i do not need any attention flying that flag here,thanks for your input later. johnny
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An american boat is implied by US customs to be one owned by a US citizen and if not customs registered has to be state or USVI registered.

It is not clear whether state registration requires citizenship but it does require proof of id. I suspect that if it is foreign owned ie by you state registration would not make any difference to your handling by customs, and these days you could find major problems arise.

In contrast to an american boat "The master of a foreign-flag or undocumented foreign pleasure boat must report its arrival to US Customs immediately and must make formal vessel entry on a Customs Forms (CF) 1300 within 48 hours. In the absence of a cruising license, vessels in this category must obtain a permit before proceeding to each subsequent US port."

While it talks solely in terms of the boat arriving, one would hope that a cruising permit could be obtained for a boat that is purchased there without having to leave first. Otherwise they have to obtain clearance before leaving for another country or US port.

There could also be complications with your visa. Unless you have certain ones, a 2b I think and another, giving multiple re-entry you cannot arrive by sea although you are from a country that is exempted a visa for short stays. Also there is a restriction on obtaining further entry by arriving from adjacent countries Canada Mexico and the Caribbean.

Normally a boat would be registered in the country of which you are a citizen, citizenship being a requirement of registry. The alternative of a flag of convenience means registering a company presumably as owner higher costs and annual fees.

There is no point in paying sales tax in the US when you will be hit by duty and GST on return to Australia. I think you may find it simpler to front up and register as an australian yacht. There are complications but probably less severe than if one wanders into the uncertain bureaucratic nightmare of not being the routine or usual case. You could find yourself deported.
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