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NO way is a Formosa 41 a decent offshore vessel!!!!!!!!!!!
It is a relic of a bygone error!(and yes, I meant 'error') See its not hard to use large bold letters instead of a detailed argument.

Seriously, without getting into their legendary poor quality building practices, boats like these were intended to be slightly updated versions of late 19th and early 20th century cruising boats. In converting the concept from wood to glass, these boats became even heavier than the boats that they were derived from. This triggered a whole range of compromises. To begin with, since most of the extra weight was in the hulls and interior appointments, it meant that there was a reduction in ballasting from what would have been the norm historically. This meant that they could not stand up to as large a sail plan as their historic precidents would have carried and so had very small sail plans for a boat of this displacement. The decision to go to bermuda rigs aggrevated this reduced ballast related reduction in sail area. The net result were boats that could not turn in decent average passage times. To me an important factor in picking an offshore cruising boat is that it capable of reasonable passage times, if not there is a tendancy to motor more and sail less, which for me is not exactly ideal voyaging under sail.

But these are very high drag boats with lots of wetted surface and lots of windage. They need a large amount of sail area to sail even in heavy conditions but because they are relatively tender compared to their drag, it is very hard to carry enough sail to make to weather in a blow. While some might argue this is acceptable on an offshore boat, I would suggest that even offshore boats encounter lee shores and from my point of view the inability to make to weather in a blow is very much a desirable quality for a boat going offshore. While I would agree that offshore boats do not have to offer a race boat's ability to sail well in all conditions, the compromises that these boats represent would eliminate them from any list of offshore capable boats that I personally would compile.

So while I would suggest that a Formosa 41 that someone had lovingly and knowledgably restored and upgraded might make a nice live aboard, I would suggest that if your primary goal for this boat is to go offshore,you consider one of the more up-to-date offshore designs such as a Valiant 40 or Kelly-Peterson 44's.

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Jeff.....whaaaaaaaaaa??????

Don't you know you are dissing Captain Ron's little sister boat. He sailed a Formosa doncha know!!! Captain Ron did doncha know?? The FORMOSA may be of old design but it rocks. Jeeze Jeff....you need to take a pill. Just imagine, around the world in a Formosa....just like Captain Ron! Argh!!!
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i see nothing on the beneteau idylle 44 german frers,do you all not like these ? I love em ,have sailed many boats ,raised in the caribbean I think these boats are awesome and very well laid out,sturdy and just an all around great boat,there not on your list why not ?
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How about the Downeast line of boats? I have sailed my 32 across the Pacific twice and it how proved to be a worthy seagoing vessel.
I heard your boat was for sale. Where is she?

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I would like to know about the souherlys and spirits.
Paul and Sherril, that couple that lives aboard for ages, making movies for cable tv and always moving around, crossing oceans, sold their heavy boat, and two years ago bought a new Southerly 42. I was curious about what they thought of their new boat and then saw it for sale. I thought that after all it was possible that the Southerlies didn't deserve all the good things that I have heard about them.

Then I saw that they had bought a new boat...a Southerly 49

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I'm into details. I see that a Sabre 34 is on the list. Could one extend that to a Sabre 32 which is designed by the same team and built by the same manufacturer? Also there is a Sabre 34 Mk1 and Mk2. Does the list refer to one or both? The hull designs are substantially different.

By the way, I'm looking for an offshore, performance, shoal draft sailboat. Of course, getting those attributes in a single boat is certainly a tradeoff. I've kind of narrowed it down to the two boats referenced above. It will be moored in Puerto Rico with occasional 1 week trips to the Virgin Islands as well as a passage or two to and from the mainland US. My budget is <$50K. Comments anyone? Thanks
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