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Re: Updated Offshore Cruising Boat List - January 2008

IMHO and after 200,000 delivery miles, any production vessel can do trans-oceanic crossings without hull failure. Having said that, any production vessel can fail!! In most instances this failure is with the standing rigging or the rudder/rudder post.
I delivered an Oyster 5 years ago, beautiful, expensive vessel. Encountered gale force winds and had standing rig failure.

This list really doesn't mean a hill of beans. Buy a vessel, inspect and repair it, outfit it to offshore specifications, like the Caribe 1500 standard and enjoy the sea. Go adventure sailing, my friends!! "And bring Dos Equis"
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Re: Updated Offshore Cruising Boat List - January 2008

Can't understand how a Yamaha 33' could be on this list, but not certain vintage Jeanneau models, like the Gin Fizz 37' and Sunrise 34/35'. All these boats would need some outfitting/beefing up; having just looked at a Yamaha 33 (though it's been sailed at length offshore) it's pretty marginal. Much prefer these Jeanneau's to it (for solo/short-handed sailing). Laura Dekker circumnavigated her Gin Fizz at age 15 and Alain Maignan circumnavigated his 1980s Sunrise with minimal upgrade budget (2006-07) and is preparing to circumnavigate the 'wrong way round,' next year, in the same boat. Here's an article in French on Alain, translated to English:

Alain Maignan, a world tour like no other
Thursday, October 11, 2012
bit.ly/1qlUL74

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Re: Updated Offshore Cruising Boat List - January 2008

I searched the thread for Heritage One-Ton (Morgan designed 37'-9"). I feel this is a good candidate for the list. Older IOR design. I spent many years racing this one & in some pretty bad weather. We pushed it hard. It proved to be quite durable.
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There is a rather lengthy thread with widely varying opinions on the various incarnations of the Hughes 38 here:
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/buying...star-38-a.html

Given the divergence of opinion it is not surprising that it is not on the list of suitable offshore cruisers...which is not to say it cannot cross oceans.
its great to have diverse opinions, but when some of those opinions are based on error, then the diversity of opinions is worthless. To wit: there is only one Hughes 38 design (S&S design #1903) with several variations in interior layout, cockpit and deck design. The hull, ballast, tankage, rig (except for traveller) and engine are all the same. The Hughes 38-1, Hughes 38-2, Hughes Northstar 38, and Hughes 38-3. All are design S&S #1903.

Sailboats built by Hughes Boat Works by year on Sailboatdata.com

The differences in the draft and displacement can be explained by the transition from racing to cruising. The boat was designed as a CCA racer, but transitioned to a cruising design, with the inevitable increase in weight.

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Re: Updated Offshore Cruising Boat List - January 2008

Ericson yachts have made many long distance passages, and round-the-world, too.

Here is a rambling thread listing many of them:

http://www.ericsonyachts.org/infoexc...ll=1#post40076

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That list is old. Just google Mahina's web page and you will get an up dated list. It even has our new boat the Boreal 44 on the page and the company is only 5 years old.

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These lists are fun to talk about but do they really mean anything of importance ?? Probably marginal at best. The author of the lists is an experienced sailor, no doubt about that. Offshore sailing training and helping some of his students choose boats are his main source of income. Just how much personal unbiased knowledge does one sailor have?? Why did the so called list never include a modern entry level production built boat?? Even if you feel that someone like Beneteau doesn't build a good enough boat for offshore today they sure did in their First Series back in the 80's but these models never made the list. Until Catamarans became really popular they were never on the list but I see recently that they are now on the list even though their mono hull sisters are not. Personally I see lots of bias on this list plus I don't care how much you know about boats you can not have an intimate knowledge of hundreds of different designs and boat types. There are all sorts of lists out on the internet about offshore boat choices, this one is no different than any of the others, simply one person's opinion and like all opinions they are neither right or wrong. Like everyone else I am opinionated as well and no I do not own a new entry level production boat.
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Re: Updated Offshore Cruising Boat List - January 2008

Yes, I think the lists are best for arguing--and if seeing if your own boat is on it....

Most people never go anywhere on their expensive, new superstrong deepwater yachts with bronze ports and shiny Monitors. Most offshore passagemaking is racing, Bermuda or TansPac, where the emphasis is less on "bluewater strength" than on speed and gear. They go by planing at 15 or 20 knots while the "offshore" double-ender wallows safely at 6.

"The right boat" for offshore is always a good discussion, but the practical fact is obvious to anybody who has actually done it:

You go in the boat you have.


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They mention the Amazon, a very poorly built and painted, grossly over priced stock steel boat. The insides had only one coat of primer under the foam; grossly inadequate. They were welded on the outside only, and most of that weld ground off, leaving the thickness of a beer can holding the seams together.
On the origamiboats site , Opus Paul said he saw one drag anchor, and the transom broke away form the hull when it gently hit a mooring buoy.
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Re: Updated Offshore Cruising Boat List - January 2008

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There are all sorts of lists out on the internet about offshore boat choices, this one is no different than any of the others, simply one person's opinion and like all opinions they are neither right or wrong. Like everyone else I am opinionated as well and no I do not own a new entry level production boat.
John Neal is probably more qualified than most to have an opinion, and it is one worth taking into consideration but you are correct it a just list of boats to consider written by one sailor. No more no less.

It has in years gone by been somewhat finatically held up as the definitive work on offshore boats - I believe John himself would be uncomfortable with such burden.

On his site is it simple titled 'boats to consider for offshore sailing' and is included at the end of a longer and perhaps more useful section on what he considers desirable attributes in an offshore boat.

It is simply John Neal's list of boats to consider - No more no less.

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