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Wait...we're forgetting Dr. Phil's advice:
Get a Gemini 105 Catamaran...the best boat for anything!

Gotcha covered now Chuckles!
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Cam - No it's not. It's the best boat for most things.

Practical Sailor is doing a review of 30ish boats from the 70's, all the ones mentioned here are in there. If you don't subscribe - get it (february and March) it's a two parter and they do 6 boats per month.

Pearson and Catalina are in Feb's - and like most boats they are all compromises ( the compromise on my boat is I have to put up with halfboats saying my boat isn't a boat).

My buddy had a Catalina 22, I learned to sail on it; then I went to Hunter31 while he went to a Catalina 30 (both 1986's). Personally, for my tastes, sailing area, uses - Hunter31 kicked the Catalina to the road side in all important aspects.
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What's your budget? I've shopped the $10k-$15k 25'-30' segment a bit over the last couple of years. My favorites in that category for two adults and two kids for cruising are: Catalina 27, Sabre 28, Islander 28.

For whatever reason, it seems 30' or more gives a substantial price jump for intial costs, slip fees, upkeep, upgrades, etc. The 27/28 footers I mentioned above seem to have very similar layouts to their ~30' counterparts.
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Looks like the folks on Sailnet are ready to help... We could help you determine a realistic budget for your adventure and guide you in a general direction.

Some further information from you would be helpful:

1) Where are you planning on sailing?
2) How old are your children?
3) What are your repair/maintenance skills? (Electrical, Engines, General Mechanical)
4) What is your approximate budget?
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Loualfr,

I have to be honest with you, I don't know for sure what "sailtime" is. But if it's one of those timeshare boat club arrangements, I have to say I'm not particularly keen on them for family sailing. At one point we considered similar offerings in our area, but after reflecting how we use our boat we realized it wouldn't be a good fit for us.

As you know, when sailing with kids there are a lot of concessions that have to be made with respect to safety and comfort. We concluded that we needed to be able to set-up our boat in whatever way we deemed fit to accommodate our kids, including safety features and gear (toys, games, dinghies, kayaks, etc). We wouldn't have been able to do that in a time-share arrangement, or if we could have it would have meant schlepping heaps of stuff back and forth for each sail. Equals= not much sailing.

Just something to think about.
Good point John, the other thing I have seen with time share, is that people go out when they shouldn't be.
I see it all the time. A group or family comes down to the boat. Its blowing like stink and the lake is a nasty mess, but it's thier time to be on the water and the next time they are scheduled to have the boat could be weeks away. So, they go out when the prudent boater is probably going to sit it out in the harbor.
With the time share, your going to use the boat no matter what, not always the safest decision.
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Loualfr - I'm married with three children ages 10 and under. We've considered Sailtime in the past but note that, in addition to the concerns identified by JohnRPollard, synching up appropriate sailing weather for my wife and kids with scheduled time on the boat is often a challenge. If there is a nice day with 15 kts of breeze, we want to get out there (with kids). That may not be a scheduled day with Sailtime. The flip side is that you may find that on your scheduled day with Sailtime it is blowing 30 kts with 8 to 10' seas. Less than ideal for three kids.
See, my point exactly.
An expert in the area of sailtime who agrees with me.
This has got to be a first.
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See, my point exactly.
An expert in the area of sailtime who agrees with me.
This has got to be a first.
What's that TJK, that someone agrees with you, or that an expert agrees with you?
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thanks for all the replies, was what I was thinking overall. my kids are 3 year old twins, dtr is much more adventurous than my son right now. I really want to get them used to the boat and water. The cal is a fun boat but very tender, we keep it in a mooring and do mostly river daysailing. I'd like to get into something we can cruise for a day, something with a head on it and also I'd like both my wife and myself to get used to handling a larger boat. I think I'll start looking for a Catalina 30 or slightly smaller Pearson or Hunter. I'm partial to the Tartan's/Pearsons/ Sabres but seems like the Catalina might be more kid friendly and more for the money. does not appear that the increase in cost for mooring fee and maintenance is as much as the fee for sailtime.
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There is a dramatic difference in the Cat 22 versus the Cat 27's btw - they (27s) are typically heavier ballasted and my experience with mine - it would handle a blow quite well....
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