Relative tippiness of multihulls

[sailingdog]

There's a pretty big difference between the Gemini 3000 and the Gemini 105 series, since Tony Smith basically redesigned the hulls between the 3000 series and the 105s...and one thing the redesign did was move the center of buoyancy of the Gemini hulls outwards.

[chucklesR]

That'd be the one pictured above, Bamboo. It would need some major work to be a liveaboard based on what Sheril, the owner, has indicated on the Yahoo group.
Email:
Re: Possible selling of 1986 Gemini

--- In Gemini_Cats@yahoogroups.com, "catamaranbamboo2004"
wrote:
>
> The reason I say possible, is that I'm not sure if anyone would be
> interested in my boat in the condition that it is in now. I really
> don't know who I would talk to about whether or not it is even
> sellable in it's present condition. Any advise would be appreciated.

And another:


I'm sending a couple of pictures one was taken before we pulled the boat and
the rest are history. My late husband and I bought this boat in 2003 in hopes
of living out our dreams on her. When we had the boat pulled for a quick
bottom job, it turned out that the previous owners hadn't done their jobs in
the past. At that point we got out the grinders and started grinding. We
completed most of the fairing and were ready to apply a protective layer of
fiberglass, when my husband found out that he had cancer. We hastily built a
trailer to haul the boat from Rockport, TX to Paradise, TX (central Texas),
after he passed away. I've been working on it when I can, but I've just had
my 3rd abdominal surgery in the last 2 years. This is why I'm selling it. I'm
not sure I can complete the work on it, much-less be able to handle the boat
single-handed.

For the boat I have all the fiberglass cloth, West System Resin, Hardeners,
and fillers to complete the job. I have 6 InterProtect 2000E Kits to make 6
gal of barrier coating. 2-gal Interlux Ultra-Kote Black, 2-gal Interlux Micron
Extra Red, 2-gal Pettit Easy Poxy White for above the water line, 2-qts Pettit
Easy Poxy Burgundy for stripe under rub-rail, and 1 qt Pettit Easy Poxy Black
for the water line.

I have a new airhead for the boat(just received a few weeks ago), New 8-ft
Walker dingy, older dingy of unknown origin(but paddles well), new BBQ Kettle
grill(still in box), New Powersurvivor 160E Water maker and the extended
cruising kit with additional filters(still in original boxes), new water
pump(still in box). All the instruments have been sent to the originating
company and put in like-new condition complete with new thru hulls and wind
instruments. New solar panel(still in plastic). A new 2003 Honda 15hp
outboard with less than 2 hours on it. New headliner material and spray glue
(should be enough of each to finish the job with spare.

I really have so much stuff, it's hard to mention it all.

The boat is located on the trailer on cushioned blocks. The trailer is
street legal, but requires permitting. All of the wires coming down the mast
were just cut with a knife, so the mast could be removed quickly by the boat
yard when removing the mast. I've also updated the documentation on the boat.

One person did respond to the email. Bamboo is a 1986 Gemini 3000.

[LookingForCruiser]

and one thing the redesign did was move the center of buoyancy of the Gemini hulls outwards.

Getting back to my original question... does that mean the 3000 is tippier than the later Gemini 105mc ?

[LookingForCruiser]

Hi Chuckles,

No the older Gemini 3000 I looked at was in Freetown MA, I was on board it to check it out. It looked fine (with the one scary thing being I saw the pointy end of a screw sticking out of the window trim in the master stateroom - no idea what that was about).

There was a lot of work poured into the thing, it had been modified with hull extensions on the rear to support two outboards (I was told professionally at a boat yard), and had a propane hot water heater added. Of course I didn't pursue it (negotiations with the wife went poorly), so I don't know what a professional survey would have found.

I definitely wasn't in Texas!

[sailingdog]

Yes, it does.

Originally Posted by LookingForCruiser

Getting back to my original question... does that mean the 3000 is tippier than the later Gemini 105mc ?

[BlondeZilla]

Originally Posted by LookingForCruiser

I wasn't going to say to anything, because I'm a novice, but I've never seen an Iroquois listed for anything near $60k. They top out at $30k. This is looking at dozens of listings, old and new.

There are a lot on yachtworld for more than that. But also bro you don't want to go crossing oceans on something just because its cheap. And one more thing came to mind....
If you need to go that fast where you are in danger of capsizing or don't know how to not get yourself into a storm, ie avoiding them, reading weather reports and listening to them, paying attention to skies and clouds and waves... then maybe you shouldn't be sailing a cat.
6 knots is the perfect speed and you can load them down with cruising gear. For me sailing is the journey and the special time... the destination is just an added bonus.
Maybe you should get a gas guzzler and put the hammer down.

[LookingForCruiser]

a. In the UK, they regularly list for more. Why? I don't know. In the US, they don't list over 30k. This is watching prices for over a year and finding back sales. I've found listing prices for probably 2 dozen Iroquois.

b. Who's crossing oceans ? I want to cruise around coastal MA

c. Who ever mentioned going real fast ?

Your post seems awful hostile. Why do you want me to buy a powerboat?

[P8dawg]

My father is selling his Stiletto 27 for 13K, but it's really nothing more than a great big beachcat. We have been very close to flipping her over due to gusts over 40 m.p.h., but we also had eighteen people on board last Father's day. It can be a very exciting ride, but for the most part is very tame and much more forgiving than a smaller cat, until you go over. Then, you probably ought to just swim to shore and wait for the insurance check.

[christyleigh]

Originally Posted by LookingForCruiser

Your post seems awful hostile. Why do you want me to buy a powerboat?

CAUTION ..... The Darkside and its minions are always out there lurking to steal you over.....

[sailingdog]

BlondezZilla's first post is awfully trollish... and doesn't seem to have any real relevance to the OP.

Just because a boat doesn't cost $xxx,000, doesn't mean that it isn't necessarily an unseaworthy boat. The Iroquois catamarans were built in England, and most of the ones in the US, came here by sailing across a little body of water called the Atlantic. As such, if they've been well maintained and are in good condition, there's little doubt that they would be able to make such a journey with a little preparation.

Just remember, any idiot can capsize a multihull. Good multihull seamanship means sailing the boat properly, to minimize risk of capsize or pitchpoling. Most multihull capsizes are the result of one of two things, if not both. The first is being over-canvassed. The second is going too fast for conditions.

Multihulls should be reefed to match the gust wind speeds, since they don't have the ability to bleed off the excess energy of the gusts by heeling over like a monohull. This often means reefing a bit earlier than some monohulls. However, most multihulls will still sail far faster, even reefed, than their monohull counterparts, which are mostly limited to their hull speed.

Most multihulls will sail far more comfortably when sailed at speeds to suit the sea and wind conditions—just cause you can do 14 knots doesn't mean you should be doing 14 knots... slowing the boat down to 9 or 10 knots will smooth out the ride and make it much more comfortable, while still leaving most monohulls in the dust.

Often, these two problems compound each other... leading to either wind and wave induced capsize or pitchpoling. The solution to the first is often the solution to the second—reefing properly to suit conditions. In extreme conditions, most multihulls would be wise to deploy a series drogue.