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I am swag'ing, you would put the galley issue further up the list he made? I was pointing out it was on the list, granted 2nd from bottom. Not sure if OP's list was in order of preference or not...........hence probably both of our points being off base to a degree.

I am glad OP likes the pearsons, personally, their look etc does nothing for me, hence why I add in "Ambiance" etc to the boat being looked at. Altho, the folks that do own Pearson's, "like them" In the end, that is what matters! Not what I like or someone else likes!

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Not sure if OP's list was in order of preference or not...........
These were not arranged in order of priority, but in the likeley order of inspection... ie. Start outside and work your way inside... although in that case, I should have moved the Anchor/Chain further up the list...

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A leaky deck is a huge red flag, because it might involve balsa coring, rotten knees or rotted stringers if it's frozen and thawed in the bottom of the boat for a few years.

These things can be remedied, but it takes commitment, expertise and some skill. Also, might as well shave your head, because epoxy with stick in your hair otherwise.

Anyway, let's assume by some miracle the boat passes survey. Lots of boats do. So what? What is more important (particularly given that boats are coming down in price) is what you intend to do with it (daysail, coastal cruising, gunkholing, club racing) and how (do you intend on spending many nights aboard? Do you intend to do longer passages?)

Just as the type of software you use should dictate your choice of computer and operating system (most people are GROSSLY "overpowered" for browsing, mail and word processing), so should the type of sailing lifestyle dictate your boat choice.

A Pearson 36 is about as middle of the road a chunk of classic plastic as I can imagine. Next to 1980s Catalinas, it's about as close to average in all respects as I can imagine. It's not a racer, but it's not a slug. It's not roomy, nor is it cramped. You get the picture.

On the other hand, it is unlikely to surprise you with bad habits, nor will casual weekends on it be anything but a hoot, as it is well equipped, as are the vast majority of production boats, for coastal hops.

So decide if you want that...and if you do, that's great. Because trying to turn it into an ocean crosser, a racer or a liveaboard would lead to a lot of frustration. That's not what boats of this type were designed to do. They were designed to be messed about in.
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I'd also check the condition of the interior of the lockers and such. Often, the outer areas are "cleaned up" for sale, but the nooks and crannies will tell you what the real condition of the boat normally was.

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Another thing too - run your bare fingers across whatever you can. If a boat is being shown then problem areas will be quickly addressed prior to you getting there if they are not establishing the issues prior to.

I always ask the broker / seller - What are the known issues and what is the history of the boat - they tell alot about you can expect...

. Running your fingers around seals, in exposed areas where you know their can be water ingress - moisture is still left and there is sometimes more that you can tell....Stomping on the deck and going below and seeing rust dust under areas - etc... all can be indicators... In other words inspect like you were doing a white glove inspection of a military barracks.

No one is gonna slow you down, and the extra attention to actually find everything you can - is simply mere prudence and a negotiation leverage you will have establishing a price before having the surveyors input...

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I start on the inside. Look at the inner skin of the hull - everywhere. Look for stains, repairs, differences in colour, cracks, rust, etc. Look in the sump. Look under everything. Lift the sole, the cushions, the battery boxes if possible. Then look at the exterior.

If you find things that worry you, but you like the boat, then spend some time finding out about the construction. For instance, if you have leaky stanchions, and if the bolts are not going through any core material, it's no big deal. Stanchions need to be sealed and fastened periodically, and if they aren't, they will start to leak. If they are bolted on through the deck core however, and if the leak has been there for a while, there could be extensive damage...
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Basically, your inspection of the boat is really just to see if the boat is worth even making an offer on and still should have a full-survey done.

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1800 Es

Hi, off topic but I had a 73 1800ES and it was silver laquer painted with black leather and grey carpetted. What a classic machine. I drive a silver Magnum just to have a car that gives me the same feel behind the wheel. But, to get back to buying a new boat. I bought a 83 24 C@C inthe late fall in the water and found the windows leak. So, check them, too as these were screwed on as an afterthought without any aluminum trim and a bitch to reseal. Good luck.

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Keep in mind also that it is VERY difficult, if not impossible, to find a good surveyor that will really go over a boat. If you don't do it yourself, it ain't going to get done. Bring along a couple of knowledgable friends and a little hammer (to check for delamination) and go at it.
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Ed,

There are several books you might refer to. Here are few:

"Surveying Fiberglass Sailbaots" by Henry C. Mustin
"Inspecting the Aging Sailboat" by Don Casey
" How to buy the Best Sailboat" by Chuck Gustfafson (includes 12 page checklist)
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