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torrential 04-16-2008 10:44 AM

Any happy or unhappy tartan 30 owners
 
I'm still looking. I'm off to look at a1975 tartan 30 today and would appreciate the good and the bad about the boat. Thanks

Tartan30#526Howl 04-16-2008 05:42 PM

Frankly, I don't think it's possible to buy more boat for less money than a well-cared for Tartan 30.

Plusses as follows:
  • Accessible to sailors on a tight budget
  • Stiff
  • Well balanced
  • Tons of fun to sail
  • Sturdily built - possibly even somewhat overbuilt
  • Outstanding access to engine and stuffing box
  • Easy for one or two people to sail
  • Lead, bolted keel (not encapsulated, like some of their era)
  • They're handsome
  • Plenty of Tartan owners out there, and there are good support nets through owner associations and listservs
As with any boat, there are some weaknesses, at least measured by today's standards. This list may seem longer than the plusses, but you should know about them - and besides, most of these reflect the design practices of that era, and things have moved along since then. I remain a fan of these boats.
  • No bridge deck - a low sill into the companionway. You'll want a securely placed hatchboard in place if you're in lumpy following seas
  • Cockpit drainage is inadequate should you get pooped (see above)
  • The way the portlights are installed in the main salon just plain stinks.
  • They are prone to chainplate leaks, especially starboard side.
  • They're all at least 30 years old. How's that engine, really?
  • The prop is about 6' forward of the skeg-hung rudder, which makes maneuvering in reverse downright exciting.
  • Speaking of rudders, they're prone to water intrusion and eventual delam. It's repairable/replaceable.
  • They were designed to sleep six, and they will. God help you if all six want to stand up at the same time.
  • Best they don't want to eat, either. Storage space is at a premium.
  • 22 gallon water tanks sound bigger than they really are.
  • The head compartment is designed for no one larger than an Ewok.
Hey, every boat is a tradeoff. Far as I'm concerned the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Find a good one and you'll be pleased with it.

ramminjammin 05-20-2008 08:07 AM

how was the tartan ?
 
I bought a 1975 tartan 30 last October. Hull number 298

I have just gone over it to launch for this season

The hull is solid. The keel/ hull joint needed to be resealed. the chain plates are leaking. I peeled paint away from about 10% of the hull where it easily flaked off, not one blister to be found, the glass is solid !
leaky chain plates are normal, they seem solid and are an easy fix.
The deck and all the fiberglass on the top is solid.

The boat is solid to sail very stable. I am inexperienced , I had this boat doing 21 knots sailing her from Grand Manan to Nova Scotia when I bought her last fall ! And the second fastest GPS speed on a different day was 19 Knots !!!

you wont be disappoibnted if the boat is solid

sailingdog 05-20-2008 08:37 AM

Exactly how do you get a 30' displacement keelboat to do 21 knots, when here hull speed is somewhere around 8 knots???

JohnRPollard 05-20-2008 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingdog (Post 317040)
Exactly how do you get a 30' displacement keelboat to do 21 knots, when here hull speed is somewhere around 8 knots???

SOG, surfing, with a serious following current in the Bay of Fundy????:confused: :confused: :confused:

Or maybe he was trailering it....:D

blueranger 05-20-2008 09:46 AM

I saw one like this...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ramminjammin (Post 317023)
I bought a 1975 tartan 30 last October. Hull number 298

The boat is solid to sail very stable. I am inexperienced , I had this boat doing 21 knots sailing her from Grand Manan to Nova Scotia when I bought her last fall ! And the second fastest GPS speed on a different day was 19 Knots !!!

Twin Merc 250hp kickers??? :D

kwaltersmi 05-20-2008 10:03 AM

Didn't BlowinSouth just buy a T30? He's probably up to date on the pluses and minuses.

JohnRPollard 05-20-2008 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwaltersmi (Post 317071)
Didn't BlowinSouth just buy a T30? He's probably up to date on the pluses and minuses.

Was it a T30? I missed that, I guess.

Ramminjammin,

Just as a follow-up to my earlier post, please don't take offense. Just kidding around a bit. :) :)

However, it does strain credulity that any production 30 footer could hit 20 knots, so some of us are certainly intrigued by this mystery. The most obvious explanation is that your GPS receiver is malfunctioning, or you are somehow misreading the information it is displaying. I'm not trying to insult your seamanship, and to prove it I'll mention an embarrassing story of my own.

I was once crossing Chesapeake Bay in some really nasty weather with one of my brothers and my father. After a fast beam reach across the Bay, we had to head up as we rounded a bell buoy waypoint for a long beat to weather. It was blowing and raining sideways, miserable conditions.

After hardening up, reefing down, and getting sails trimmed, we took stock of our progress. We were dismayed to learn that our VMG was only 1.8 knots on the GPS. I then did everything I knew of to improve the boat's sail trim, including adjusting leads, reefing the genny to reduce heal, tweaking lines everywhere, etc etc. As I made these adjustments, my brother called out our slightly improved boat speed "1.9 -- 2.0 -- 2.1 -- 2.2" The boat felt fast to me, but the GPS was saying otherwise. Imagine my frustration and concern, knowing that we had a 10 mile beat to weather and it was already late-afternoon on a late autumn day, with miserable conditions.

Finally, as my brother continued to call out our ever-so-slightly increasing speed, it dawned on me. I went back to the GPS display and discovered that it was showing the steadily increasing distance from the previous waypoint we had rounded, not boatspeed!!!:D :D Our actual VMG was well over 6 knots!!

Moral of the story: Sometimes we misread the information being presented.:o :o

T37Chef 05-20-2008 11:05 AM

You may also want to post your question here: Welcome to the Tartan Owners website

sailingdog 05-20-2008 11:31 AM

A production 30' multihull might well easily hit 21 knots...especially surfing... but I just don't see how a 30' keelboat could do that...without being dangerously out of control. Once you start pushing past hull speed on most boats, the control of the boat starts to deteriorate pretty badly. Doing 21 knots on a 30' multihull would be pushing it pretty hard in any case. Even Gui's 42' racing boat is hard pressed to do 20 knots I'd imagine, and I know he regularly sails her at 12-14 knots.


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