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Izos,
My simple answer to your basic question would be no. I basically agree with the CE rating of 'B' of the "Traditional Motorsailors" line of Nauticats because of the big sliding doors mid-ships that would be in the water during a 90 degree knockdown. I'm not saying the CE rating is anywhere near perfect as I would not take some of the 'A' - CE rated boats out of NGBay. As TB mentioned I'm looking into making my 331 a bit more watertight in the sliding door area - but not to cross an ocean - just to better handle a knockdown.
If you want a """Bluewater""" Nauticat then you want to look into the "Pilothouse Sailing Yachts" line. They are better designed for open water and are also better sailers. If I was going to be crossing oceans in one of them I would still have some Storm Shutters made up for those big pilothouse windows but many are out there now without them. For that matter there are lots of the sliding door type doing that also.... but you can find some NC 40's Sparkman Stevens designed boats for sale right now that were designed for bluer water.
My boat still has stickers on the windows from the first owners trips to the Bahamas/Exumas ..... big deal.... MacGreggors have been there too.
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Talking Nauticat Motorsailer

As an 8 year owner of a Nauticat 33 I can only echo what "TRUE BLUE" said. We have been doing a refit for this last year. My wife and I have gotten up close and personal with our boat. Some observations:
Very well built. We removed the teak and replaced it with non skid. The under side of the decks are amazing! Reinforced to a degree I have never seen in another boat. Most Nauticats do not have coring anywhere (the first 36's did). Easy to get at systems and lots of forethought. We installed a Lewmar H2 and the wiring addition was easy. The channels were already in the frames.
Very few boats hold there resale like a Nauticat . . especially in this environment.
The Lehman Super 90 is a great engine. Easy to work on and reliable.
We have sailed at hull speed many times and while they don't point, they are comfortable and luxurious on the water and great liveaboards.
Get a good survey and enjoy!
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So you should say:

Giu, tu n„o prestas, seu bastardo sujo....OK????

Now go play with your scrotum.....
Yes, but does he know you well enough to use the informal "tu"?

The one I hear around here all the time is "vai-te foder!", sometimes followed by "corno".

Which I find slightly confusing, but maybe the boys in my park are a little lonely.

I think these Japanese have some more lessons to learn:

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Thanks guys

Its sure feel better to discuss things with you, than just letting questions echo in my skull.
I should do it more often.
Anyway, I wonder how hard or expensive would it be, reffiting pilothoues
doors and windowes, to make them waterproof and safe.
would you consider it as mission impossible?
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Wink Pilothouse windows and doors . . .

There is a one door model available. It still would leave the starboard (single) door vulnerable.
I have reinforced my doors but a huge rogue wave would certainly do damage. Stormboards on the windows would be easier.
I have a friend, and the owner of the sistership to ours who sailed her to Europe and back. He had no trepidation about seaworthiness.
I would have no hesitation to do a passage with our 33 but if I had lots of money it would be in a Nauticat 43 with an all oceans rating.
Pick your battles.
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Like a lot of things, on can look at an article like this and decide Xbrand boat would not be worth having, ala this NC35 that went down off the coast of CA with the two occupants getting airlifted off....

While I am not saying NC is a bad boat, for what they are, are probably a good boat. But that article does show how the big windows will sink a boat of that design, be it an NC or equal style boat.

I would listen to the others that own this style boat, along with the info in the article, the writer is a person I know! Which two days after this happened, my wife and I were having a beer at a local pub with another couple that know Kevin, were talking about how much fun is he having on the trip..........little did we know what had transpired the previous 48-72 hrs.

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Sure makes you think, isnt it?
I wonder what exactly went on there?
pilothouse structure wasn't the only thing broken, the mast went down
too, my guess is that the falling mast caused the damage to the pilothouse, not the waves.
thanks for the link
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I recall that story and it certainly does make one think of how unforgiving the sea can be, if one is unprepared for it.

I will say one thing though, during my experience with ownership and my extensive knowledge of these boats, if I was to choose a sailing vessel to prepare for an ocean passage - between a Nauticat, or the millions of vanilla brand production boats built during the past 30 years, the well established build quality and hull design of Nauticats stands well above them all.

This incident is the only sinking resulting from a NC knockdown I have ever heard of. In comparison, the list is endless of recorded tragedies involving less capable vessels.
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Please note, by showing that link/story, I am NOT trying to say anything bad about NC. They are an excellent boat from what I can tell, been told etc. The purpose was to show that some of you with this boat, describing certain issues that could be a problem, and here is one in that situation with problems.

Yes there could have been more issues, such as rigging that was borderline and not known when they took off! As I say, I do know the writer, the couple I was with, he sold them their C&C 115, he also has many miles as a delivery skipper, capts license......list goes on as to his credentials.

So for those looking at NC's, Please do not throw this boat out from this single story. Use the issues as a learning point and move on from there. I will admit, I personally in this stage of my life, would not buy an NC. But maybe later, as I am older, do not want to race as much as I do currently, but spend more time cruising/daysailing, an NC could very well go to the top of the list for sailing here in Puget sound. They are reasonably popular boats for many reasons.

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Interesting story, but I'm even more convinced that it's a good decision to forego the davits and to make up storm shutters.

I wonder what, if anything, this guy would have done differently? I'm glad they were saved so quickly, however. Good post.
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