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KiwiPaul 05-21-2008 11:28 AM

Used boat purchase advice
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I am considering buying a used sail boat, 1976 Seafarer 22 and am a little concerned about some apparent damage to the leading edge of the keel.

I'll try to upload a couple pictures with tis post - there seems to be some moisture seepage from the lower damage point. the boat has been sitting on a trailer since last fall.

Should I be concerned ? The rest of the boat seems in great, if in need of some cleaning, shape.

Thanks for any help/advice

sailingdog 05-21-2008 11:41 AM

looks lke damage from a hard grounding. If the encapsulated ballast is iron or steel, this might be a very serious problem, since steel and iron both expand as they corrode and can cause serious damage in the process. It would be worth getting a survey, to get an idea of the cost of repairing the damage, if the rest of the boat is in good condition...

eMKay 05-21-2008 11:45 AM

The keel on that particular boat is lead. I researched A LOT of boat in my couple years of searching (still am)

Seafarer 22

cnc33voodoo 05-21-2008 11:46 AM

i wouldnt call either of those spots a deal breaker.
those both seem to be very easy fixes,if in fact there is no other consequential damage.
it apears in the pics that those spots are fibreglass or lead that has been filled with fibreglass.
if its a fibreglass area,just in case,i would probably drill a very small hole (7/64,1/8)about 2 inches below the damage and let it sit for a day to see if any water comes dripping out.the amount of water that comes out will determine the severity of the damage.
if its lead i would look for small cracks elsewhere on the boat.if that is impact damage another area could have been effected.
one way or another i would never purchase a boat without a survey.not matter the cost.

KiwiPaul 05-21-2008 11:49 AM

Given that the encapsulated keel is lead, does this make this sort of damage less of a concern ?

sailingdog 05-21-2008 11:51 AM

yes, less, but still a concern.

DrB 05-21-2008 12:11 PM

Nothing to worry about, but you do need to address it
since it is lead, the corrosion aspect from steel or iron is less of an issue. Still, you will need to to seal it to prevent further migration.

Last fall when I hauled my boat, I went around and fully inspected the keel for any dings or delams that may have occurred during the season from hitting any junk. Everything looked great except in one area on the leading edge there was a very thin crack in the paint that when I pushed on it, it spit a little water. I carefully chipped off the paint that wasn't well bonded around the crack until I got to a solid bond.

I let the thing air out over the winter. I roughed up the area around the edge and the exposed lead and painted on some very thin epoxy and allow it to wick into the edges between the well adhered paint and the lead keel. I also painted the bare, roughed up lead. I let the epoxy set over night and then mixed up some filled epoxy (thick peanut butter consistency) and spread it onto the area where the paint was missing. I smoothed it out so that the contour matched the existing keel edge and adhered paint.

I let the filled epoxy cure for a couple of days and then sanded smooth and flush with the existing keel area with 120 and 180 grit paper. Then I just painted it with bottom paint.

Will see how it works out.


Tidykat 05-26-2008 01:12 AM

Hey Guys, I am fairly new to this sailing thing in fact so new that I have never sailed before. I had been looking for a boat to purchase and live on for the last year or so, and I found one that well, let's just say it was love at first site. A friend took me to to see the boat back in Jan, as I was to meet up with some one who had told me about the boat. She ( my driver ) had taken some pic, with her camera phone and sent them to me. so I immediately started searching the net to try and identify it. I thought it was a Pearson, and it was not, I looked at Alberg, and it was not I looked at Morgan and it was not and even looked at a host of others that came close but they were not it.
So finally after being frustrated and ready to buy this boat, iI had a friend take me over to see it again and fortunately the owner was home, so I had asked it was for sale, and yes was his answer, to my delight.
Now for the best part, it is at the momment affordable.
Second, it happens to be a 1965 Grampian Classic 31.
So after the ooooooh's and ahhhhhhhhs's I went to look at her again last week to make sure that I really wanted this vessel and took a boat mechanic with me, and like most old boats unless well maintained they need a lot of work. and this one is no different.
well perhaps worse.
One of the the first things that I had noticed was some pitting in the keel, like little holes I think, then some small blisters, then as I was doing the walk around I noticed that the prop came in 2 pieces which my mechanic took of while trying to turn the shaft.( the boat is out of the water).
It did have a bout 4 inches of rain water in it, because the hatch was deteriorated and the companion way was open.
i went back today to take some pics to see what I was going to tackle first, and I guess build a mental and visual image of how to accomplish the many tasks at hand.
The water was removed the hatch was still open and I was able to get a real good visual in the cabin. Plenty of standing room but realisticly theres a ton of cosmetic work that will have to be done.
There is some mold just about every where, the cushions will need to be replaced, the cabinets more than likely will need a refit. The head is original so I may have a problem with the DEC and other agencies, and did I say I really like this boat?
One thing for sure is that I want it because I will be living on it.
the other thing it that it will be ( for a lack of better terms my school of hard knocks) learning about glass work and refitting and so on.
I do have a, well at the moment plan of attack, and that is get rid of the unwanted stuff as well as un usable, get the hatch covers taken care of, clean, clean, clean, place the mast on 2 or 3 support stands, to get it off the cabin and pulpit, setup the batteries and solar panels to have some lighting, and I know all of the floor panels will need to be replaced and perhaps a good deal of carpentry.

I am probably, no I will need all the info I can get concerning this vessel.
My mechanic didn't seem to notice any thing that can't be repaired, although the engine my need to be rebuilt since the owner believes that it is original, and it does turn but I am sure it will be better if it is.
It is a Volvo penta diesel,1 cyl.? something like that and perhaps I may be able to replace it wit a rebuilt something else.
I did read some thing about it being a steel or iron keel, it does weigh about 7,000lbs and the hull is about 6,900lbs, i am in hopes that this will be the perfect live-board project.
Any way, all info will be appreciated. Sincerely, TidyKat

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