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As someone else who lives in Melbourne, I'll back everything that Sasha and TD posted (well, maybe not everything TD posted... )

Actually, the trip is probably closer to 2000 miles once you go around the corner, with with next to no shelter for the first 1000 if something breaks - but who cares?? To go out through The Rip and head north in a sight-unseen untested Roberts rust-bucket would put lives at risk - Air-Sea Rescue lives, that is.

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Sorry everyone

I have been away for a couple of days working, thanks for all the posts, very interesting, to put all your minds at ease here is the link to boatpoint where i found it
ROBERTS 44 OFFSHORE KETCH boat details - BoatPoint Australia

hate to post and run, but got back this arvo (afternoon to you in the U.S) truck reloaded ready fo 5am start, got to drive (again) for 2 hours to pick daughter up from airport. will check out your thoughts when i get back.
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Hmmm, where to begin.

I'm an Accountant by background so let's start with the numbers. Assume you negotiate the cost of the steel hull down to say $30,000 & take Chris_gee's no of $120,000 to complete and you are up to $150,000.

This steel Roberts Mauritius is on the market for $75,000. Negotiate not quite as well and get this for $65,000. Add say $35,000 to get it ready and you are up to $100,000.

Boats For Sale - Roberts Mauritius 43 - Boatlocator.com.au

Admitedly you would have to cruise from WA to Qld, however I'm sure if you look hard enough you will find similar deals closer to home. Besides the cruise over the top of Oz is probably nicer than via Bass Strait

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Given the initial photos of the Roberts 44... I'd have some serious doubts about the boat.

The exterior of the boat is basically a nice coating of rust.



The boat is stored outdoors, and god only knows how much water is in the bilge. Even if the boat doesn't leak, a steel hull like that probably suffers from condensation—and rust never sleeps. If the interior wasn't properly primed and painted, the chances that there is some serious unseen corrosion occurring is not only likely but quite probable.

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If you're serious about this boat, or another steel boat down the road, hire a marine surveyor who's experienced with steel boats and get the boat surveyed.

The surveyor will go over the boat in detail and afterwards will give you a tour and point out all the issues he finds. He should give you a written report as well, and give you an idea of the costs to finish the boat.

If he has an ultrasonic thickness gauge, he can measure plating thickness from the outside and detect thinning from internal corrosion.

It'll cost several hundred dollars. But even if you don't buy this boat, you'll learn an awful lot about what to look for in a steel boat.

Also keep in mind this is a home-built steel boat. The materials to finish it don't need to be gold-plated. For instance, people have used steel and aluminum pipe for mast tubes. Galvanized wire rope, cable clips and galvanized turnbuckles are about 1/5th the price of stainless steel rigging. When you size the masts and boom try to set it up so your sail dimensions will match that of popular production boat(s), especially fast boats where owners replace sails often. Then you'll have a ready supply of used sails at low prices.

One thing to check is designer support. There are "official" Bruce Roberts plans, then there are the plans Bruce Roberts says are pirated. He's actually creating a black list of boats built to these plans. His site says: "DO NOT get YOUR BOAT on this list as you will have a lot of problems in insuring, registering or selling your boat."

I've also heard that he doesn't offer any support to people who've purchased incomplete boats that were built to his official plans, unless the new owner buys a new set of plans from him.

Stuff to check out before you adopt the project.

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Sounds like Bruce is in it to maximize his profits... and screw the people who bought partially built boats with genuine plans.

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Ok , so the thing is more complete that first thought but I see much I don't like. That could be down to personal preference of course. I'm suspecting builder is a decent handyman but not a sailor.

Exterior rust on hull may not be an issue depending on how long its been sitting there. Pools of water inside the hull would be an altogether different kettle of fish.

Survey definitely and that should tell whether the exterior rust is a problem and should also give an assessment of the quality and condition of interior hull coating.

Dollars ?? Sorry but I wouldn't pay more than $20.000 and probably less. I guess if the donk is brand new it's worth $10.000 by itself but everything else really only has scrap value.

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I'm intrigued that the listing doesn't say where it is... Melbourne covers a pretty big area. Looking at the surroundings, it doesn't look like it's anywhere close to the shore (unless it's out the back of Yaringa?).

If it were me and I was actually serious, I'd be asking how much it would cost to get it to the water. You might find that, once it's on a truck, it's cheaper (and safer) to keep going onwards to the Sunshine State...

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